Youâre right, itâs not. Good thing I didnât say that.
Traitors? Absolutely, they rejected the call of their hereditary leader to accept the name he had given them and refused to assist in trying to rebuild their shattered nation. Now I donât know what term other than âtraitorâ you would choose as a one-word description of that action - but Iâll stand by it.
âHide outâ? Would âchoosing instead to hang outâŚâ have made you feel better?
Itâs a good thing I didnât attribute it to you, then, isnât it?
In order for an individual to be considered as a traitor, they mustâve been actively working against the interests of their government and/or nation â merely electing to be a nonparticipant isnât treason, by any stretch of the imagination.
A more accurate presentation of their motivations, in general, wouldâve made me happy â which is why I provided a rewritten version of your comment, sans mischaracterizations, a few comments below yours.
So feeling sympathetic to the Alliance who actively sabotaged parts of Quelâthalas when the Blood Elves needed help the most on top of also not coming back to help their people ⌠is exactly what Murg just said.
Refusing, in a monarchy, to follow the orders of your monarch is treason. Period. Kaelâthas, the instant Anasterian died, became the reigning monarch of the Thalassian elves. The Convocation lost its power after the Scourge, so this wasnât some UK Constitutional monarchy where the King/Queen is a figurehead. Kaelâthas was the sole ruling power.
(also, didnât know that was you on a sock puppet - long time no type, heyas)
No, and we can do semantics all day if you like. The claim was that I made an objectively false statement - not a statement I could prove objectively true. You claimed it was objectively false. Implicit in that claim is the burden of being able to prove it false.
That perhaps applies to the tiny smattering of High Elves in QuelâLithien, who outright refused an order, but it wouldnât apply almost at all to the majority of High Elves in question (hailing from Dalaran, Stormwin, QuelâDanil, etc.).
Technically, it would depend whether said elves had citizenship in QuelâThalas, and whether they heard about QuelâThalas. I could be wrong, but I donât think we know these details for every group of elves.
Still, nothing Murg said was âobjectively falseâ either.
Hereâs the thing: canonically, the schism between Sinâdorei and Quelâdorei doesnât happen until the order is given by Kael which renames his people. I canât find any canonical reference to a schism within the Thalassian elves where a group of them renounces the authority of the SunstridersâŚgoing all the way back to DathâRemarâŚand formally chooses to go its own way separate from any ties to QuelâThalas.
Now if someone, anyone, has such a canonical source I would love to see it and improve my education on the subject. Otherwise, traitors it is.
I donât care to get bogged down in some prolonged semantic discussion, so Iâll rephrase my statement as such:
The comment that Murg made isnât an objective truth, as it relates to the majority of all High Elves, and also seems to imply that all High Elves were behaving maliciously (by actively seeking to do harm to Blood Elves and Quelâthalas, which is demonstrably false) or dastardly (by cowering away from conflict, also demonstrably false).
We donât, but this still doesnât really matter â if a citizen of England, in 1794, was living in the U.S. and refused an order to join the Royal Navy form the Queen⌠whether or not the crown found this to be treason is largely besides the point, because most of the world wouldnât agree.
I find that an odd claim to make, considering asides and assessments people could make about people who prefer Alliance High Elves.
Stones from glass houses and what not.
I would say patterns of behavior and areas of support that have track records are better judgements on peoples character, especially the track record part, I donât think you can claim because people see HEs are traitors that BE fans are as you said
The ârest of the worldâ wouldnât matter is it would be a matter of British law to decide. If you commit treason against the country you hold citizenship in it doesnât matter where youâre living at the time, youâre still a traitor to the country you hold citizenship in.