High Elf POSITIVITY Thread 😎

Wrong. I rejected it. Therefor I did not take it.

1 Like

https://www.guideposts.org/sites/default/files/styles/bynder_webimage/public/story/rejection.jpg

2 Likes

https://media4.giphy.com/media/26BRQZP57d4wt3QRy/giphy.gif

3 Likes

Name one thing in my post that is objectively - as in rebutted in canonical sources - false. Go ahead, I’ll wait.

4 Likes

You’re right, it’s not. Good thing I didn’t say that.

Traitors? Absolutely, they rejected the call of their hereditary leader to accept the name he had given them and refused to assist in trying to rebuild their shattered nation. Now I don’t know what term other than “traitor” you would choose as a one-word description of that action - but I’ll stand by it.

“Hide out”? Would “choosing instead to hang out…” have made you feel better?

2 Likes

That didn’t take long.

It’s a good thing I didn’t attribute it to you, then, isn’t it? :wink:

In order for an individual to be considered as a traitor, they must’ve been actively working against the interests of their government and/or nation – merely electing to be a nonparticipant isn’t treason, by any stretch of the imagination.

A more accurate presentation of their motivations, in general, would’ve made me happy – which is why I provided a rewritten version of your comment, sans mischaracterizations, a few comments below yours. :+1:

1 Like

So feeling sympathetic to the Alliance who actively sabotaged parts of Quel’thalas when the Blood Elves needed help the most on top of also not coming back to help their people … is exactly what Murg just said.

What’s the source that rebuts this? Just because something isn’t proven true doesn’t mean it’s proven false.

source for this as well please

Refusing, in a monarchy, to follow the orders of your monarch is treason. Period. Kael’thas, the instant Anasterian died, became the reigning monarch of the Thalassian elves. The Convocation lost its power after the Scourge, so this wasn’t some UK Constitutional monarchy where the King/Queen is a figurehead. Kael’thas was the sole ruling power.

(also, didn’t know that was you on a sock puppet - long time no type, heyas)

1 Like

I didn’t realize that thoughts and sentiments were punishable offenses. :man_shrugging:

As an aside, it’s startling just how many of the folks that prefer Blood Elves present as unabashedly fascistic.

If it isn’t proven true, or false, then that would qualify as “not objective fact”, which is what Murg asked that I highlight.

1 Like

No, and we can do semantics all day if you like. The claim was that I made an objectively false statement - not a statement I could prove objectively true. You claimed it was objectively false. Implicit in that claim is the burden of being able to prove it false.

2 Likes

You didn’t say “not objective fact”. You said:

1 Like

That perhaps applies to the tiny smattering of High Elves in Quel’Lithien, who outright refused an order, but it wouldn’t apply almost at all to the majority of High Elves in question (hailing from Dalaran, Stormwin, Quel’Danil, etc.).

:wave:

1 Like

Technically, it would depend whether said elves had citizenship in Quel’Thalas, and whether they heard about Quel’Thalas. I could be wrong, but I don’t think we know these details for every group of elves.

Still, nothing Murg said was “objectively false” either.

1 Like

Is this an assessment on people who prefer Blood Elves?

Here’s the thing: canonically, the schism between Sin’dorei and Quel’dorei doesn’t happen until the order is given by Kael which renames his people. I can’t find any canonical reference to a schism within the Thalassian elves where a group of them renounces the authority of the Sunstriders…going all the way back to Dath’Remar…and formally chooses to go its own way separate from any ties to Quel’Thalas.

Now if someone, anyone, has such a canonical source I would love to see it and improve my education on the subject. Otherwise, traitors it is. :wink:

I don’t care to get bogged down in some prolonged semantic discussion, so I’ll rephrase my statement as such:

The comment that Murg made isn’t an objective truth, as it relates to the majority of all High Elves, and also seems to imply that all High Elves were behaving maliciously (by actively seeking to do harm to Blood Elves and Quel’thalas, which is demonstrably false) or dastardly (by cowering away from conflict, also demonstrably false).

We don’t, but this still doesn’t really matter – if a citizen of England, in 1794, was living in the U.S. and refused an order to join the Royal Navy form the Queen… whether or not the crown found this to be treason is largely besides the point, because most of the world wouldn’t agree.

Same situation with High Elves.

Yes.

1 Like

I find that an odd claim to make, considering asides and assessments people could make about people who prefer Alliance High Elves.

Stones from glass houses and what not.

I would say patterns of behavior and areas of support that have track records are better judgements on peoples character, especially the track record part, I don’t think you can claim because people see HEs are traitors that BE fans are as you said

1 Like

The “rest of the world” wouldn’t matter is it would be a matter of British law to decide. If you commit treason against the country you hold citizenship in it doesn’t matter where you’re living at the time, you’re still a traitor to the country you hold citizenship in.

1 Like