Hyper…we were, if you’ll recall, allied with the Horde at that time and the rescue of the Nightborne was a joint effort. Would have had them write a separate Alliance story arc that had them completely ignoring the entire zone…since the entirety of the Suramar arc is rescuing the Nightborne from Elisande and the Legion?
Ok, then you should perhaps never mention lore in your arguments again - since you’ve decided to just ignore it when it doesn’t support what you want.
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I would not even chalk it up to Garithos as he’s not mentioned once in game as the reason. It’s more that the blood elves needed help and got offered aid by the forsaken lead by the former ranger-captain Sylvanas to fight the scourge in their lands, and at the same time have the night elves lead incursions into their land most likely to find out what was going on with them allowing horde to dwell there and powering their city with fel.
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What part of that has gotten retconned?
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They are both solid lore reasons. Garithos’ activities predate WoW but are firmly ensconced in the Warcraft IP and absolutely explain why Kael would never agree to ally his people with the Alliance.
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They can use the lore already there to be fair to both factions instead of hand feeding the Horde. So no, I think I will continue to cite the lore.
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Cool, and I’ll happily refute your comments - when appropriate - with the published lore.
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ugh, they forced the situation for convenience, in other words. since we had formed an united front, of course we would have to agree on how to resolve that. i cant imagine any scenario where the alliance would abandon the nightborne, letting the legion destroy them. it was a strategically sound decision, irregardless of the allied state of horde and alliance at the time. it just seemed wrong to make the player rescue someone who would inevitably try to kill them the next day.
If you found one, and could manage it, would you free a trapped wolf or cougar from a leg trap…knowing that the next time you wander up that way they would not consider you a friend and might well decide you should be on the menu?
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To refute you would actually have to disprove it.
NB could have Joined Alliance. It’s not any more of a stretch than Blood Elves joining the Horde.
Vulpera could have as well (there wasn’t even any lore to cite before this expansion to use. You dragged out the time honored “Horde aren’t always the bad guy” reason).
For the record, I don’t give a rat’s tail about NB, but I am pointing out where player favorites have gone. I am mostly irritated because the first truly new race was shoehorned into the Horde.
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I can agree with this actually, letting people get attached to a race and their story and characters and then giving it to the other faction. Even if there’s a good lore reason for them going to one faction it still sucks for the players.
There’s sadly no end in sight though as we had the same thing with the highmountain, lightforged and mechagnomes.
originally, the nelfs were there to help the belfs by creating moonwells for them. this is why every nelf base in ghostlands has a moonwell, no matter how small the base was.
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Must have been retconned early in tbc development then. if they kept that in then it would have made much more sense to go alliance but alas, it’s not the lore we got.
Belves joining the Horde is no stretch at all - they were written that way since the days of the Lordaeron Alliance and the battle against the Scourge. Thank Garithos for persecuting them and Sylvanas for helping them. I’ve pointed out that it’s by no means a lore stretch…and again, you’ve just decided to ignore it.
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Night Borne killed their own kin during the war of thorns. They are dead to me.
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Ok, since we’ve gone to “Lore is only important if it supports my perspective” here, I’m going to bow out of the current conversation and resume again when having conversations with people who will actually acknowledge things that may not support their world view.
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The nightborne didn’t take part in the war of thorns. but I can understand if you hate them for going horde and fighting for them in the fourth war.
garithos is not a good enough reason. thats one guy. like the lich king is one guy. like garrosh was one guy. alliance didnt say hey we arent gonna attack the lich king cause he’s a human. horde didnt say we arent gonna attack garrosh cause he’s an orc.
belfs didnt have to abandon the alliance because garithos was a jerk and the nightborne didnt have to abandon the alliance because tyrande wanted assurances. these are just flimsy excuses to make things happen that benefit the game, presumably. but when they start insulting the intelligence of their playerbase, i am not sure its beneficial to the game.
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He did so rather so solidly Kirela. Ypu are trying to argue what ifs, and they mean little in front of what occurred which did justify nb for the horde.
Let alone the alliance is handfed lore all the time to avoid looking like they do anything questionable.
Much of the story and lore has orecedent that justifies fairly well what the Horde received.
One can argue it is unfair the void elves did nit receive the same attention, but they are a new race, but were clearly rushed in implementation
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Blood Elves joining the Alliance is no stretch at all- they were written that way back when they were High Elves and humans saved them from the trolls. Thank Forsaken and Orcs as well for attacking them and SW (once Arathi) for saving them.
Don’t worry though. There’s High Elves still which are just fine instead.
They are not a bloody new race. They are recycled Blood Elves. Lore and bad blood can’t be the gate that blocks Alliance, but then allows the Horde whatever they want as long as it’s adjusted.
What does this have to do with the allocation of races?
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