What you arenât acknowledging is that Tyranduh and the Night Elves helped to save the Nightborne. Donât trust the Nightborne and yet voidy Blood Elves are cool? Also, last time I checked the Alliance wasnât all about Tyrande so⊠It essentially was a thin excuse for them to go Horde.
As for Vulpera? All they had to do was write the Horde as the ones attacking them, the Vulpera helping the Alliance instead, etc. Thereâs no grand lore built over 15 years that says they are more Horde than anything. It was also thin.
So no, it wasnât some great story that lead to either joining the Horde. Itâs a lot like Blood Elves with how weak it is.
The nighborne didnât look at the whole of alliance or horde when joining, they wanted to join one of their fellow sister races. And the blood elves are a much closer fit to the nightborne than the current night elf culture.
The void elves joined due to Alleria, they didnât seek to join with the night elves and if they had approached them then they would most likely have been shunned.
same thing many helfers think about belfs being given to the horde. makes no sense unless belfs are forced to fit, which was what they did. they coulda done the same thing with maghar, zandalaris or vulpera. they just didnât want to, presumably because horde belfs was originally an emergency solution and not a naturally logical one.
Saving people from certain death and subjugation under tyrants =/= appropriate allies. I can save someone who I canât stand personally from death - that doesnât mean weâre going to be buds afterward. Iâll pull a mangy, ill-tempered cat out of a drain pipe before it diesâŠthat doesnât mean Iâm bringing it home with me.
Re: Vulpera youâre right, of course, they could have made the Horde the bad guys for a change instead of writing the Alliance as having done something morally objectionable. What a novel concept that would have been.
Of course, Tyrande had something to do with it, but the cultures of blood elves and nightborne mesh a lot more nicely as both are built upon the old night elf highborne culture that modern night elves cast aside.
It does make sense that Tyrande would be skeptical of the nightborne, it fit her character that sheâs had since wc3.
Of course they needed to be banished to be sent on the path of joining the alliance, but they would also not have joined the alliance without Alleria seeing them as her kin and bringing them in.
And it doesnât mean you canât âbe budsâ after either. I am pointing out that as far as allied races go, Horde have cashed in on pretty much every player favorite except for DID, and thatâs on Blizz.
Oh yes the need to make the Horde âmorally greyâ or whatever the spin is now. I forgot that we need to keep feeding this redemption story until nausea sets in.
The point is that the âstoryâ was created to dish out the allied races, not the other way around. They werenât forced to shove NB and Vulpera at the Horde.
horde and alliance are at war. nightborne now are compelled by the storyline, to kill their alliance rescuers. its not good form to make both sides rescue them. shouldâve at least been like vulpera where alliance arenât actively rescuing people, risking their lives for them, only to have them pronounce a death sentence on them as a thank you, simply because one of the faction leaders is overly cautious. wasnt even the alliance leader. anduin didnt do that.
Yes, they can write anything that pops into their heads to writeâŠbut Highborne/Nightborne and Night Elves allying would have made zero senseâŠand thatâs from the entire history of Warcraft. Or are you conveniently forgetting that the enmity between them goes back over 7,000 years?
And in the context of that actually happening, youâre once again dismissing long-standing lore.
Garithos is a good start on the âwhyâ end of the Lore. (Before anyone says âHEY! Garithos didnât represent the Alliance!â) It doesnât matter what we as observers know about the Grand Marshallâs rise to his position being largely because the chain of command was mostly wiped out and he had inherited his fatherâs title of BaronâŠto the Blood Elves he was the Grand Marshall of the Alliance:
âGarithos blamed the elves for the loss of his home and family, believing that they had diverted troops that could have been used to defend humanity. After the war, Garithos inherited his fatherâs title and continued his service in Lordaeronâs military.[6]â
âGarithos gave his human army the mission that he assumed the Alliance should have always had: the preservation of humanity above all else.â
Garithos did not enjoy having to work with the blood elves[9] or dwarves,[10] believing that the Allianceâs mission should be to preserve humanity above all else[6] and that the Alliance should never have accepted the elves in the first place.[9][8]*
The observatories repaired by the Alliance Remnants discovered that an undead strike force was coming from the west. Garithos returned to the front and left Kaelâthas awaiting orders. Then, an Emissary sent by Garithos informed Kaelâthas that he had to engage the strike force from the west, but also recalled all foot soldiers, cavalry and support teams to the front, leaving Kael with only his blood elven troops.[9]Garithos had hoped that the elves would fall before the Scourge, and no longer be his problem ;[14]the missions given to Kaelâs greatly reduced force were intended to be suicidal, impossible for the elves to complete .[15]*
Because they had no allies, and would have been slaughtered otherwise, Kael joined forces with the Naga against the ScourgeâŠwhich led to: â Garithos condemned Kaelâthas and all of his men to death. He explained that he never trusted the elves, and felt it was a mistake to accept them into the Alliance in the first place.[9] He arrested Kael and his servitors and locked them in the dungeons of Dalaran to await their execution, under the guard of Kassan.[16]â
Iâm going to say this again: Kael and his people didnât know what we as players know. What they knew was that the Grand Marshall of the Alliance did this, and that means - to them - the Alliance did this.
So the idea of bad blood between races only counts if itâs Draenei or if itâs against the Alliance?
This does not explain why Horde can absorb whatever race the devs want to give them, lore be damned, and Alliance have to deal with junk like Void Elves when High Elves are right there, or watching a truly brand new race go to the Horde.
Also, were Pandaren always planned to be neutral? Which faction had to share them?
no, they shouldâve wrote the alliance out of the rescuing nightborne business if the plan was to make them horde anyway. having us rescue a potential new ally only to give them to the other faction is abusive - it doesnt make me hate nightborne players, in fact i have 3 nightborne but it does make me question the intentions of the devs as regards their treatment of the player base.
I have no idea what youâre trying to say hereâŠexcept that as soon as you mentioned lore and gave you the actual lore you pivoted to whatever it is youâre trying to say here.
The former high elves (blood elves) are the ones that was willing to do what used to be unthinkable to them before the third war in order to survive and thrive. The ones not willing to do that kept being alliance and are known as high elves.
Be it draining mana from living creatures or allying with undead lead by a former hero of Silvermoon that are willing to aid you against the scourge.
Did not help that the night elves was messing around in Quelâthalas in order to find out what the blood elves was up to and sabotaging them. As well as the alliance spy.