Literally the only thing you can hold against them is “they currently look like these other two races”
Which didn’t stop Nightborne, Highmountain or Lightforged Draenei from coming into this world.
Those aren’t High Elves
The High Elves are still fighting for the Alliance, to this day, and throughout every expansion.
They are playable on the Horde side. So playable argument goes out the window.
They are the same race as high elves. So the argument about them being a different race holds no weight.
An alliance version is present through void elves, who were blood elves, who shared the history of the blood elves. In fact, some high elves went blood elf because they couldn’t withstand their withdrawal. Maybe they just lacked the ability to abstain because mages need to feed or else they suffer permanent damage. So hey, your void elf? Its a high elf that physically couldn’t refrain from feeding. There you go, purple rp’ed high elf.
History is clearly meaningless because they allied with the alliance in the second and third war but weren’t made playable in this game unless you’re a Horde player..
Fits into the narrative of wanting to find a way to break away from relying on the sunwell.
idk who to believe anymore
the pro high elf community or the devs and lore inside and out of the game
hang on, let me overthink this ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
They aren’t
Those are Blood Elves
Blood Elves are not High Elves, High Elves are not Blood Elves
Kul Tirans and Stormwindians are the same race, Mag’har and Greenskins are the same race, Lightforged and Standard Draenei are the same race, Highmountain and Kalimdor Tauren are the same race… Void Elves were Blood Elves until 5 minutes into their intro scenario.
I don’t want a “version”, I want the actual High Elves that Blizzard insists on putting on the Alliance every single expansion, showing them fighting on our side time and time again
Horde players can’t play High Elves
Not that you directed this to me, but no as a High Elf Warlock makes zero sense Lore wise, would I race change a few other characters indeed as I could afford to do so.
Are they thalassian elves? Yes.
how do we know? They are both affected by the sunwell.
They don’t have the same political affiliation, but they are still thalassian elves.
And outside of void elves and nightborne, the redundant race is kept to their respective fashion/
Void elves were blood elves who were high elves.
The story didn’t evolve that way, neither did design. Sorry, I sympathize for you because I would prefer to be a high elf on the alliance, not on the Horde. It didn’t work out that way and that is how the story goes. You don’t yell at an author because they didn’t have Character X do Y.
I don’t know…I look like one…have the history of one.
I just went for the Horde side because the alliance doesn’t like undead things. So mine is out of necessity because being another Koltira doesn’t suit me.
Not comparable, I said “same NPC race across multiple expansions” and you bring one-time use races. Way to completely miss the point. Try again. I already said Ogres (who are a one-time use race) aren’t comparable so you should’ve realized murlocs/jinyu/hozen wouldn’t be either.
The rest of your post is reductive and rehashed so not going to get into that again.
in wc3 they were betrayed by the alliance, they left and then joined the horde. the story moved on. that a few high elves arent blood elves is irrelevant, the option is available and present on the horde
this one is simple. load up the game, go to character creator and select blood elf then check the more info box
the ones remaining are too few in number to be relevant or a major alliance race in any capacity. as for the ‘more added every expansion’ in BFA we had four, two of whom are nameless NPCs on the airship in brathi aasin. void elf presence in BFA already outstrips high elf
This would be the correct answer.
You’ve actually proven to underthink rather than overthink.
I wasn’t discussing your point. I flat out ignored it because it is a red herring.
If history was relevant then why did the elves go Horde playable instead of alliance?
History means nothing to a race that is pragmatic at its core. Hell, you see it in Veressa as well in her actions.
Doesn’t mean they should be playable because they have history. It just makes them an NPC race like anyone else, and the story does not work out to make high elves playable.
Yeah, and they’re both Elves alongside Night Elves, Nightborne, Void Elves, Felblood, Felborne, and we could group them up with Trolls too… What’s the point?
Show me the stone where it has been written down that factions can only get races who look like the ones they already have?
The story literally had the High Elves doing more for the Alliance in multiple expansions than actually playable race. If playable races were determined by the story we would’ve had High Elves since Vanilla, WotLK or Mists.
Says Blood Elf right there besides your level, buddy, very clear to read.
You’re actually doing the red herring. I asked for a Horde NPC race that’s comparable to High Elves, and nothing more or less.
But you’re trying to explain the point I was making for me in a very misdirected manner.
There is no equivalent to Horde, that the Alliance have today.
High Elves are being requested because they’re a race on Alliance, it’s as simple as that.
It’s not flame baiting, nor harassment to tell someone they’re underthinking, just as you’re telling me I’m overthinking right here.
Nice try though, using yourself as an example of what not to do.
That’s Blood Elves. Doesn’t count.
You don’t get to dismiss story just because you don’t like it.
That’s Blood Elves. They do not count.
About what they once where.
They no longer consider themselves High Elves and they both have diverged.
Blood Elves do not have the High Elf themes we want.
Proven false by Void Elves, Lightforged, Mag’har, Gnomes, and Darkspear Trolls.
That doesn’t matter. They can show up whenever.
Not like we where seeing tons of Mag’har.
They had to be pulled from another reality whereas High Elves just have to show up.
Strawman.
The argument was how blood elves and high elves are the same race.
night elves and blood elves are not the same race even though they belong to a class of elf.
A pattern of 6 allied races who all remain with their core race?
2 allied races are traded, and severely altered to ensure they are not the same as the traded race.
That is a good pattern to me.
Except the story didn’t turn out that way to favor you.
The alliance didn’t assist the high elves when their kingdom was falling.
The blood elves had high elves, who were with the alliance actively killing blood elves who were given the option to leave peacefully. Why would they want to go to the alliance who essentially condoned such murder?
Or who have a history of being untrusting of race different from them?
Mists was a possible moment, but Lorthemar decided to remain allied to the Horde. So yeah, the story didn’t go in the direction for playable elves. Just as their history hasn’t made them playable for the alliance.
political affiliation out of necessity not spirit my friend.
Alas, I would love to join my lover in Goldshire, but I am an undead. Human’s don’t like things that do not need to breath. I would die if caught alone, so I must ally myselves with those who would not judge me for a state of being I do not control!
which is also why most DK’s are horde btw.
You are asking for another race that has had the history that high elves have had on the horde end. This is not the counter argument at play against your history argument.
The argument against the history argument is that the high elves as a massive two digit group, chose horde over alliance. You ended up with an extreme minority who are not representative of that race anymore. They are like the human’s who work with the horde currently in Tiragarde sound.
Only difference is you’re trying to go “but we’ve done it for X expansions and years”, but that doesn’t really matter. The story just doesn’t support it, and the gameplay cannot support it without altering high elves to the point that they are no longer high elves.
That is the conundrum with high elves.
You can’t make them playable without them being the exact same as the Horde version because they are biologically the same.
If you alter them to be otherwise, they are no longer high elves. They lose their defining features and you end up with nothing more than a title.
Telling someone they underthink is flame baiting. It is a garbage response to when you have your hand caught in the cookie jar. Furthermore…
Now you understand what you’re doing. Stop doing it.
And how, pray tell, do you define race?
Literally spray painted purple. Laziest race in the history of WoW.
Jesus christ, dude, get it right. I don’t want Blood Elves, no one here does.
We want High Elves. The elves that have been supporting the Alliance since Vanilla, and played bigger roles for the Alliance in WotLK and Mists than actually playable Alliance races.
Queldorei are 10% of the total thalassian elves and Rendorei are a simple squad…
The’re enough Queldorei for to be relevant…
Also, the population doesn’t matter.
Show me where I said “history”, I said what NPC Horde race has helped the Horde across multiple expansions, like how High Elves have helped the Alliance across multiple expansions.
Your attempt at a strawman falls flat so quick.
If it isn’t flame baiting to tell someone they’re overthinking, then it isn’t flame baiting to tell someone they’re underthinking. Underthinking is the literal opposite of overthinking.
If one is free to be used, so is the other. You’re just continuing to show a bias.
I’m always glad to see more new people (that aren’t just alts) coming in and showing how ridiculous some things are in regards to Void Elves.
i think blizzard did that so they could justify them having different racials and to put in every clan. otherwise they probably would have just been a skin option for regular orcs.