The Blood Elves haven’t been redeemed in the Lore. They just changed power sources.
The scryers actions in Nazmir are alarming.
The Sunreavers are their own faction and so a lot of their development doesn’t even feed into the Blood Elf story. They really want to be part of the Kirin Tor.
The Kirin Tor is neutral.
Though the Sunreaver Onslaught is a bit of a different story. Which didn’t matter, because as soon as Legion rolled around they were ready to be part of Dalaran again.
Otherwise their development has been about playing with Blood Magic.
The anti-line, “They were redeemed and they’re back to being normal High Elves.” isn’t true. The Blood Elves are still very culturally different than they were when they were the High Elves of Silvermoon.
Not just because they are part of the Horde.
Until there is more lore fleshing them out, they’re not even redeemed.
It’d be nice if they’d publish a story about Laidrin in Warlords of Draenor or something. That might fix it.
But right now, they’re still the same as they were in TBC. Just not draining mana. Well. Some of them.
Here we finally identify the issue you have qualm, and it appears to be a matter of misunderstanding.
In terms of redemption? No. They did bad things, but so did the high elves. Pf course the blood elves have done much worse things they are on the path to redoing.
All the sunwell’s restoration did was remove their addiction. So unless you’re a BE abusing magic, you’re the same as a high elf outside the political view.
Hell, when I used to RP; I am nerdy like that; my paladin was all about the redemption.
Your history is the same outside the last 7(?) years, and your morals are possibly the same depending on whom you might be.
Culture wise is the same. If they weren’t, then the buildings in Alleria stronghold over in outland would not have a BE based building that is simply blue.
They may be changing but they’re culturally the same still, and iirc, there are many BE’s that found great shame in having to mana tap the wildlife because they had that cultural attachment.
I don’t see the blood elves or high elves trying to state they are different outside the political difference. Their focus schism wise is still on what occurred after ROmmath’s teachings.
People are not elves, and while you clearly may have an understanding of story, you often mis-represent and misconstrue what people tell you in a debate.
Which one? You literally just saw me agree with you. You can’t recognize agreement even when its there, you’re so busy being on the attack. Take a step back, breath.
See what I mean?’ You’re so busy being on the attack that you’re not even recognizing what is being said.
I stated “sunwell restoration all they lost was their addiction.”.
If you spent more time reading what people said as much time as you spent reading lore, you’d find a lot more agreement than you think.
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
It makes no sense for her to do such a thing, especially when in Suramar, she tried to keep the peace.
Vereesa Windrunner needs to step and start rebuilding the Quel’dorei shes has done little to bring all the non Sin’dorei together. Story writers need to get busy with her and get her active.
Your perception of me is vastly different from the reality. You’re the one who needs to step back. Just relax, and read what I’m writing.
When I debate, it’s not personal. If I tell you that you don’t know the lore, I mean it exactly that way. If you agree with me, and I keep talking, I might just still be talking.
Just be open and talk about this stuff. Here, I’ll tell you something about me when it comes to debate:
Last night I was debating Reno about naming conventions for Elves. I remembered a blue statement using the term “Thalassian Elves” and I tried to source it. Getting that source wouldn’t have helped me in the debate, it would have worked against me.
But, I was still going to do it. Because I’m more concerned with being correct than I am about being perceived as right.
So just calm down and talk to me about stuff man. You were talking about me being upset the other day when I never was.
I know the lore, so I don’t have to get riled up about things. This isn’t some emotional argument for me. When you’re intellectually secure about what you know you can just go and debate calmly.
I knew you were agreeing with me. I’m talking about some Blood Elf lore.
The recent history us literally the one that defines both groups. The whole saga since the fall of Quel’Thalas is much more meaningful to Blood Elves than the millenia whete next-to-nothing happened before. High Elves are defined by the path they took after the Second War.
Blood Elves worship the Sunwell, aren’t into rangery that much nowadays, have developed a “knightly” order of their own, prefer isolation from other races, were a-ok with magical vampirism…
Yeah. some characters are acting strange. But the Blood Knight Order itself has been really nuts and hasn’t been redeemed as an institution.
In TBC they literally sack a church to show that draining the Light and commanding it was stronger than traditional methods. Not to mention the other morally ambiguous actions they take.
Without that story arc in Draenor, The Blood Knights are still pretty nuts. They kind of need that development, and without it then the nature of the Blood Elf faction you’re most likely to see out in the field is really ambiguous.
I’d prefer to know what’s going on. So like I said, hopefully they flesh it out. But Blood Elves have been pretty short end of the stick for a long time narratively.
Nope. The High Elves that left because they disagreed with Rommie mostly died in Quel’Lithien. Most modern High Elves are Second War Alliance loyalists.
Well. The WoW encyclopedia mentions that High Elves have been joining the Alliance.
So it wouldn’t have been odd that a lot of the refuges of Quel’lithian Lodge joined the Alliance, before Quel’lithian Lodge was wiped out.
If your option is to starve to death and be surrounded by Zombies, or head down to the Hinterlands and join up, I’d take joining up pretty quickly.
Especially after Nathanos sent the Horde to attack Quel’lithian lodge.
There are a pretty ambiguous amount of High Elves out there from that situation.
We also don’t know if Garithos rounded up the evacuated elvish citizens and put them in jail with Kael’s Blood Elves, but the High Elf citizens running around Dalaran suggest they haven’t. Which is more to what you said. Dalarans Elvish citizens and the Mage-Priests who stuck with the Alliance because they wanted to help mankind are a lot of the High Elves out there.
You spend several posts saying “you don’t know the lore. You said this or that” without any of it being true. That is an attack, and it has no place in a debate. It does not matter what your intent is Callistus, if intention is what mattered then no one would ever be in the wrong. It is the actions, the words which are used.
It does not mean the rest of their history disappears. Yes, you can have defining moments, yes, but the blood elves share history with the high elves. It is part of why there is the desire for reunification. It is why we have those moments in lore where a void elf reunited with their high elf lover/friend (?).
There are less differences than perceived.
High elves make regular pilgrimage to the sunwell. So they all consider it holy.
The far striders are their ranger section.
The knightly order was formed yes.
Isolationism clearly isn’t a thing anymore since they’ve allied with the horde.
The latter I will give you, but many regretted having to do magical vampirism to survive, they weren’t encessarily fine with it.
Dude. Half your posts are just ad-hominem attacks against me. Especially when you’re confronted with the lore and can’t get around it.
You’re the last guy that can claim you’re being attacked.
Also, if you don’t know the lore, and I tell you that you don’t know the lore, that’s just a fact. It’s not an insult.
Study up. If you’re gonna debate about this stuff you might as well know it.
and I haven’t been misattributing things to you. Seriously. Relax.
I get that you might be frustrated that you don’t know the lore on something, but WoWpedia is around. The games are around. You can pick up chronicles, which is expensive, but you could just grab paragons. It’s got the two big Blood Elf stories.
But the most important and defining parts of their history are exclusive to one and the other. They’ve been apart since WCIII, and throughout WoW’s entire history.
High Elves seemingly are part of the Church of Light. Blood Elves developed their own cult around the Sunwell.
And lost much of their prominence as the Defenders of Quel’Thalas to Blood Knights, with the guards of the city calling Hunters backwards qhile extolling their Paladins. The Belf Island Expedition team, which literally is what Farstriders were made for, striding far, is two mages and a paladin.
And they like their Horde allies so much Blood Elves were comparing Night Elves to Trolls to insult them, Lor’themar was ready to jump ship in Pandaria, and the only reason they helped in Wrath was Sylvanas basically blackmailing them…
Blood Elves probably would never step outside of Quel’thalas if given the choice.
High Elves chose to be part of the Alliance. Blood Elves were forced to join the Horde because of their circumstances.