High Elf Allied Race Megathread (Continuation)

[Broflake-illidan]

The playable aspect.

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

Well duh. That’s why all the High Elf discussion threads exists.

[Evannâ-proudmoore]

so to get an alliance high elf you have to figure out a way that they dont blur faction boundaries and that ensures they dont copy the blood elves ‘fair skinned, majestic’ theme

And AGAIN with the head canon. Link me where Ion said “faction lines are blurred.” None of the devs have ever called Void Elves “a compromise” so you’re making that up too. Blood Elves are on the Alliance now and Night Elves are on the Horde. The faction identity, if it’s hinged on races, is already blurred.

The skin color doesn’t define the fantasy faction, add Quel’dorei don’t blur faction lines cause these elves are Alliance.

blood elves siding with the orcish horde in this fantasy world is a wonderfully unique inversion of the standard fantasy trope

group whom their fans openly profess a preference for because they are so ‘noble’ and ‘pure’

Sin’dorei and Quel’dorei are different fantasies.

[Thaedred-stormrage]

Kind of like the Horde players who felt entitled to things they didn’t have like upright orcs and golden eyes for Belfs to reflect the changes to the Sunwell …

Oh wait …

As for it impacting the poor Blood Elf lore and community, how is it more impacting to add Elves that were never Blood Elves to begin with than adding elves who are essentially traitors to Blood Elves.

Void Elves are a much bigger impact to the Blood Elf lore than High Elves but y’all rally around their implementation cause it validates your entitlement to the fair skinned model.

Again, show me on the doll where the High Elf touched you.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Blood elves are not high elves, but they are the same race; i.e. Thalassian elves.

I don’t think there is anything in the lore that calls them Thalassian elves.

It’s the name of their language. It’s just a made up term people on the forums use.

But I think a blue used it once. I just remember being surprised. But, can’t prove it without the source.

Also, all the Elves are the same race. They’re all just Dark Trolls that are being affected by magic differently.

[Broflake-illidan]

The skin color doesn’t define the fantasy faction, add Quel’dorei don’t blur faction lines cause these elves are Alliance.

Aesthetic is a very important aspect, it cannot be dismissed when it is a defining trait of what makes a high elf a high elf. It blurs the faction lines because those high elves/blood elves are playable for the Horde. As much as everyone wants to say “but high elves are different” they still hold the exact same appearance as a blood elf and share the same lore.

Kind of like the Horde players who felt entitled to things they didn’t have like upright orcs and golden eyes for Belfs to reflect the changes to the Sunwell …

Oh wait …

You’re right, how dare Horde players request what should aesthetically be available to them on races they already have access? Or access to appearances that are supported by lore.

Its like…requesting a playable race and requesting an aesthetic are two different contexts.

Also, all the Elves are the same race. They’re all just Dark Trolls that are being affected by magic differently.

Don’t start this nonsense for the sake of fulfilling your agenda. It is just dishonest.

[Markwachassa-dalaran]

As much as everyone wants to say “but high elves are different” they still hold the exact same appearance as a blood elf and share the same lore.

I think you are being disingenuous. No point to argue with that.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

[citation needed]

Drede’s got you there. The Scryers, Sanguine Knights and Far Striders are up to something crazy in Nazmir.

[Thaedred-stormrage]

Oh so entitlement is fine as long as it’s within your faction.

There be High Elves running all over the place with Alliance. In our cities, in our quest lines, in our story. Guess our entitlement is just as valid as yours then by your logic.

/hugs Broflake and whispers “it’s ok … the High Elf can’t hurt you anymore. It’s ok …”

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Don’t start this nonsense for the sake of fulfilling your agenda. It is just dishonest.

Sorry if you don’t understand WoW’s Lore.

The first Elf to hit Quel’thalas was already short and pink, but he was still a night elf.

They’re different because they’re not covered by Nozdormu’s blessing and aren’t receiving the power of the Well of Eternity.

They’re still the same race as Night Elves.

[Broflake-illidan]

No point to argue with someone being disingenuous.

That is a laughable claim.
The two are the same race lore wise, so no, you can’t claim they are different. THat is being disingenous.

Sorry if you don’t understand WoW’s Lore.

I am not interested in getting into an argument where the very first aspect of it is being completely misleading. Yes, I am dismissing your argument, because it completely ignores all the lore that occurs afterwards for the sake of being facetious, at best.

[Thaedred-stormrage]

Which Lore? The lore where they WERE one race and then splintered off into two?

Or the lore where … where they uh … oh wait, that IS the lore. They aren’t the same race anymore.

But then by your logic Void Elves are still Blood Elves so they shouldn’t be playable either cause they have the same lore as Blood Elves.

What? They have new lore? Cause there was story development and a quest that gave them new lore! Why it’s almost like they could do that with High Elves even easier given that they were never Blood Elves to begin with, right?

Gods. I didn’t think a troll could be as bad at lore as Fyre. I applaud you Fyre 2.0.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Yeah. As of now there is actually no lore that shows that the Blood Elves are any better since The Burning Crusade.

Maybe if they’d actually done Liadrin’s arc in Warlords of Draenor it would be different.

About the only thing that comes close is Lor’themar saying that they used to do crazy stuff with Fel Crystals in Mists of Panderia.

As it stands, the last word is from Cataclysms intro, where they’re still addicted to Arcane Magic anyways.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

I am not interested in getting into an argument where the very first aspect of it is being completely misleading. Yes, I am dismissing your argument, because it completely ignores all the lore that occurs afterwards for the sake of being facetious, at best.

Once again.

Sorry that you don’t understand the lore.

You’re not engaging because you can’t prove me wrong.

Because you can’t prove me wrong. It’s the lore.

[Thaedred-stormrage]

Actually good point: In the crapshow of stories, what and where has Blood Elf lore actually gone since they were formed?

Your racial leader is a spineless twit bowing to the Banshee queen. Liadrin is what, running as a background character in a Warfront? Blood Elves have been shown as background filler and mute army grunts as much as High Elves have.

Alleria and Vareesa have had more dialogue the last two expansions than any Blood Elf racial Leader. Hell Umbric has done more this expansion than any Blood Elf has.

Man … you guys are actually kinda sad in-game. Hold on to your pride, tho. Protect that lore LOL

[Broflake-illidan]

Which Lore? The lore where they WERE one race and then splintered off into two?

The lore that states they are explicitly the same race?
The lore that states they are all affected by the sunwell because of being the same race?

But then by your logic Void Elves are still Blood Elves so they shouldn’t be playable either cause they have the same lore as Blood Elves.

BY your intentional mis-representation of my logic sure. Void elves, however, have been changed magically to the point they are no longer the same. They are unaffected by the sunwell, and in fact, would taint it if they came into contact with it. Hence why they were banished by Lorthemar, and later considered traitors for allying with the alliance.

Gods. I didn’t think a troll could be as bad at lore as Fyre. I applaud you Fyre 2.0.

“Why doesn’t anyone ever agree with me!? They’re all trolls for not taking the same point of view as me!”.
How about you do me the favor and ignore my posts because you clearly can’t handle disagreement without immediately insulting others.

As it stands, the last word is from Cataclysms intro, where they’re still addicted to Arcane Magic anyways.

Cause that whole thing with the sunwell never happened and the behavior of those who still mana tap means the entire race conducts the same behavior right? I guess all humans still conduct twilight worship, and all high elves hate their blood elven kin and want to throw them into sharks. Right?

You’re not engaging because you can’t prove me wrong.

I am not engaging you because you are wrong, and it is clear to anyone else that you are so emotionally invested in this matter that you are willing to twist the lore as long as it supports your opinion.
So, why waste my time?
Why do you think most people flat out ignore your posts? Or how Lydon doesn’t even bother arguing with you and the majority of your pro-Helf supporters?
It stops being a discussion about lore, and starts becoming a discussion about how you twist the lore which is clearly an indication of a discussion that has gone wrong.

Mind you, I started out this debate neutral, but as it stands, I cannot see any reason to support High elves being playable from a logical viewpoint.
Particularly when you, and I say this in general, begin to oddly enough bash the blood elf race for some reason. It is just trolling, and it isn’t good bait mate.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

I mean, Blood Elves are fine.

But as a Blood Elf player, the Blood Elf race hasn’t had any real development pertaining to their redemption at all.

The Sunwell is fixed.

It isn’t that they haven’t been involved in the story. They’ve been involved in the story.

But there has been nothing at all written about their culture, or their ethics.

Like I said, the one chance was in Warlords of Draenor where they had a chance to change the way that Blood Knights interacted with the light.

But then they didn’t do that.

So right now any actual redemption for the Blood Elves is just headcanon.

and considering the actions of the scryers in Nazmir, it’s pretty dubious.

Lor’themar and Halduron are nice guys.

But Liadrin’s still kind of broken without any additional lore.
And Romath is still an old school, the burning crusade, Blood Elf.

[Callistus-wyrmrest-accord]

Cause that whole thing with the sunwell never happened

Cataclysm.

The Sunwell was restored in The Burning Crusade.

The intro to Cataclysm says that Lor’themar is still trying to get them to stop being addicted to Arcane energy.

and that’s the last word.

Also, everything else you wrote is an interesting appeal, but pointless.

You still can’t admit when you’re wrong. I don’t imagine that’s going to change.

Let me know when you’ve got the firepower to have a lore debate.

Particularly when you, and I say this in general, begin to oddly enough bash the blood elf race

I’m just talking about the Blood Elf Lore.

I’m a Blood Elf player.

[Broflake-illidan]

The intro to Cataclysm says that Lor’themar is still trying to get them to stop being addicted to Arcane energy.

It states many still cling to the usage of Arcane because they enjoy the power of it. This does not necessarily mean the entire race is still addicted to abusing arcane power.

Many humans still conduct the twilight nonsense, but this does not mean ALL humans do it. Many is simply referring to number. I can have many different friends and many different allies, and many different religions, but that doesn’t speak to population.

Again, twisting lore to fit your headcanon.
“Blood elves are still addicted to arcane!”

Even though we also see many are not? Does it not seem contradictory to you if you have many who still abuse magic, but many who don’t?
You can’t have two many’s exist at the same time with your logic.
You won’t see it though, because you’re being emotional, not logical.

Anyway, I’ll let you have the last word on this, because its clear you’re still on this streak of facetious behavior, I cannot imagine it being anytihng but bad humor on your part. When it changes, I am down to talk.

[Gorgarak-doomhammer]

Thanks for putting this all together. Very informativr post and makes a good case for high elves in game.