Hero talents are junk

Q - Judgement
W - Crusader Strike
R - Holy Shock
T - Rebuke / Light of the Martyr
A - Divine Steed
G - Hammer of Justice
Z - Hand of Freedom
X - Flash of Light
C - Cleanse
V - Beacon of Virtue / Hand of Reckoning
1 - Holy Prism
2 - Holy Light / Shield of the Righteous
3 - Light of Dawn
4 - Word of Glory
5 - Barrier of Faith (though currently untalented)
SHIFT+Q - Hammer of Wrath
SHIFT+W - Divine Protection
SHIFT+R - Avenging Crusader
SHIFT+T - Divine Toll
SHIFT+A - Arcane Torrent
SHIFT+G - Blinding Light
SHIFT+Z - Absolution / Intercession
SHIFT+X - Daybreak
SHIFT+C - Consecration
SHIFT+V - Tyr’s Deliverance
SHIFT+1 - Aura Mastery
SHIFT+2 - Blessing of Sacrifice
SHIFT+3 - Blessing of Protection
SHIFT+4 - Divine Shield
SHIFT+5 - Lay on Hands
CTRL+1 - Necklace on use
CTRL+2 - Trinket 1 on use
CTRL+3 - Trinket 2 on use
CTRL+4 - Cloak on use
CTRL+5 - Weapon on use

Not counting the CTRL binds or the 5, that’s 29 keybinds for 31 abilities (not counting Hand of Reckoning or Absolution, since I practically never use the former and the latter is an out-of-combat ability).

All abilities that require a target are macro’d for mouseover targetting.

Potions are on the right-side bar and are clicked.

Also, normally I would not have Daybreak talented, but I kind of have to due to the Tier Set. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

And this is just Holy Paladin; there are more egregious specs out there.

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I see a lot over very optional things there that a good portion of are not needed. Seems to me you did it to yourself here.

OK, which optional abilities should I remove?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEe_eraFWWs

Here it is folks. This person speaks for us all. No need to comment anymore, or have an opinion, for that matter.

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The thing for me, at least speaking on a personal level, is that there aren’t too many specs with an overabundance of interaction bloat. Most specs function in a pretty straightforward manner from my experience, and most of them are sort of in a “pick it up and go” state as far as actual time-to-learn for rotational efficacy goes. I’d have more complaints about raw ability bloat on some specs than actual interaction bloat.

Utility, well, that’s a whole other discussion, and I have a big ol’ chip on my shoulder over how Blizzard handles utility in WoW. Bad enough that I won’t play my DK anymore which I almost exclusively mained from Wrath until DF.

I wouldn’t mind reading over a few if you point out the specs- I can probably get what you mean, but whether it’s me being distracted or on a weird sleep schedule and being foggy I can’t recall what other specs I felt were similarly troubled as post-rework Outlaw currently is.

Interestingly enough, they actually went the opposite direction with Discipline and finally simplified it down. Then Frost DK serves as an example of them having gone too far in the direction of simplification. :confused:

My experience with even frost dk is the are multiple buffs to track, procs, 12+ key binds, a 14 step rotation, 2 trinket slots, consumables, external variables. Sure you can play easily, but if your not tracking everything, you are sub par. Seems extremely new person friendly and not bloated at all. Add in the multitude of trash guides and resources to build trees, a crappy simulator and now another set of talents and voila, this is so simple martha Stewart could make a show about it.

I promise you the guy doesn’t actually know what a single one of your abilities does, because it’s extremely easy to find 30+ binds as a rogue.

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None of that is hard and is really basic stuff for WoW.

1- Tiger Palm
2- Blackout Kick
3- Rising Sun Kick
4- Spinning Crane Kick
5- Renewing Mist
6- Vivify
7- Spear Hand Strike*
8- Soothing Mist
9- Enveloping Mist
0- Essence Font
– Life Cocoon
± Mana Tea
alt-1- Jadefire Stomp
alt-2- Thunder Focus Tea
alt-3- Expel Harm
alt-4- Invoke Chi’Ji, the Red Crane
alt-5- Diffuse Magic
alt-6- Dampen Harm
alt-7- Revival
alt-8- Fortifying Brew
alt-9- Echoing Tyrstone
alt-10- Tiger’s Lust
alt-11- Ring of Peace
alt-12- Maim**
shift-1- Touch of Death
shift-2- Crackling Jade Lightning
shift-3- Sheilun’s Gift*
shift-4- Dreamwalker’s Healing Potion
shift-5- Paralysis*
shift-6-
shift-7- Leg Sweep
shift-8- Chi Burst
shift-9- Healthstone
shift-0- Shadowmeld
shift— Transendence: Transfer
shift-± Transcendence
middle mouse button- Detox
shift-middle mouse button- Chi Torpedo

*M+ Build Only
** Raid Build Only

So that’s 36/34 depending on build. Even my builds for windwalker still have 30 binds. My pres raid build sitting at 32 and mythics at 33, whereas my aug raid build only has 27 and mythics at 28.

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WoW community: War Within is DEAD! Hero talents are a joke!

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The problem with that is mostly with crackshot.

Because entering stealth does not reset the cd of between the eyes, that’s what overcomplicates the spec.

After this tier set is done they need to increase the proc rate of opportunity again, go back to 100% for hidden opportunity, increase the proc rate on count the odds, and re introduce dreadblades.

Right now, crackshot is anger inducing, that’s the first thing they need to solve.

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Oh we’re talking keybinds? My Mistweaver has 40 with 5 relatively optional buttons (Taunt, Resurrection, Transcendence + Transfer, Lightning). The rest are guaranteed to be pushed at any given time.

There’s also racials that take up two buttons: WotF and Cannibalize.

Any button not key bound that you have a chance of pushing at any given time is you limiting your ability to perform. And M+ and Mythic require the highest level of performance.

I should also note fat fingering is the worst. I have roughly a 2% chance to fat finger with certain buttons/bindings. It’s buttcheeks.

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Lol that you think anyone outside of Asmongold (who quit) has any actual influence on GD posts.

The rogue discord was already rioting minutes after we saw our garbage tree.

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Customizations are not progression, they’re rewards. Class skins would be cool, and I want to see spell effect reskins. But those are not rewards people will want going from 60 to 70. Those should be rewards for specific quests or from items or puzzles. Not everyone cares about spell skins but most people want to feel like they’re getting a talent every level so they feel like going from 60-70 isn’t just an archaic way of gating the game.

Let’s say I’m playing a hunter, and instead of anything else new, all I get is dark ranger stuff. I don’t care about dark ranger customizations at all. What do I get 60-70?

What buffs are you needing to track so carefully, exactly?

Keybinds, well yeah, you have buttons other than your damage rotation. You aren’t pressing every button all of the time.

14 step rotation? Frost boils down to (at least currently) pressing Chill Streak on cooldown, using Remorseless with Pillar, using Empower Rune Weapon with Pillar, cramming KM Obliterates into your Pillar window, using Frost Strike to space downtime or get runes back, using Rime procs, and
 Using Death and Decay situationally for your Pillar windows if there’s more than one target.

Trinkets are trinkets, they’ve always existed and a majority of the time you’re just pressing them either on cooldown or with your own cooldowns.

Consumables are literally something you use either before a fight, or once in a fight.

External variables? You mean playing the game and executing mechanics as intended?

If you’re looking for a spec to serve as a good example of mental overload, Frost DK ain’t it. Frost’s difficulty comes from maintaining uptime and being consistent with your gameplay.

Hero talents need to be condensed down with a better focus.

:surfing_woman: :man_surfing:

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It is way too late in the development cycle now. We are screwed. More bloat. More upward scaling. More recycled content.

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Best thing we can do is to try to minimize the importance of hero talents. I feel like hero talents suffer the same design flaws of azerite armor/covenants.

Worse there is no indication that this is ever green.

:surfing_woman: :man_surfing:

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