You keep using this word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
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As a feminist icon, I would think Sylvanas would be glad Saurfang is working against toxic masculinity and knows when to ask for help.
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Saurfang was practically groveling, the only thing missing was tears and Saurfang on his knees.
He’s there telling Anduin about how mean the big bad Sylvanas is to him and how he wants Anduin help. I haven’t seen anything more pitiful from a Horde member ever.
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He wasn’t endearing himself to Anduin in any way, and certainly not for his forgiveness nor favor.
Infact, he’d just threatened to kill him.
I see the problem. You think threatening that he could kill Anduin in the cell, raging about what he’s given for the Horde and not betraying the Horde by killing Sylvannas, the warchief, himself somehow equates to, or is close enough to, “groveling”.
That word definitely doesn’t mean what you think it means.
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LOL threatening that he could kill Anduin, is that suppose to be some awesome and heroic Horde moment. No, threatening that he could kill Anduin means absolutely nothing. Saurfang is in a cell, Anduin could very well kill him if he wanted it doesn’t take away Saurfang pouring out his heart to an 18yo boy about how mean Sylvanas is to him.
Oh and to your not betraying the Horde by killing Sylvanas statement, how on god’s green Azeroth is that relevant?
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It’s word of god that Anduin acknowledges that Saurfang could kill him. They talk about it in the Behind the Scenes interview where they talk about the creation of the cutscene.
You’re talking about 2 different instances.
You’re talking about how Saurfang is so helpless that wanted so badly for Anduin to stop Sylvanas
Alynsa is talking about when Saurfang said “I could kill you now” a short time after he decided to live Stormwind.
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How is not committing treason relevant to your claims of him “wanting Anduin’s help”? I mean, not only did he never ask for Andy’s help, it’s why he was hoping Andy did the deed.
I’m starting to wonder just how many words don’t mean what you think they mean.
I’m talking about when he was in the prison cell. It’s Word of God that even unarmed, with Anduin well armored, Anduin acknowledges that Saurfang could still kill him.
Nope, I was definitely refering to when Saurfang said he could kill Anduin in the cell. You even acknowledged that above. I don’t get why you think that suddenly became some other time when Saurfang was going to live (leave?) Stormwind.
Off topic: Does a triple negative make a statement negative?
On topic: That was hard to read. Saurfang has already committed treason against the Horde and he continues to go down that rabbit hole. If you believe that he has not committed treason that is fine, but that doesn’t take away from that pitiful display of a Horde warrior.
Saurfang acknowledging that he could kill Anduin at any point in time, doesn’t have any effect on him pouring his heart out to a 18yo human boy king.
How about he pour his heart out to a member of the Horde, unless he wanted and quite possibly still wants Anduin to “stop her.” He just comes off as an helpless pitiful orc.
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I wasn’t sure that killing people who were trying to arrest someone who a case for treason could be made against was honorable either.
I mean, Sylvanas is now a cartoon villian. But Saurfang has admitted tanking a fight with the intent of getting the side he supposedly was fighting for to lose. I wasn’t pleased with either.
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No it wasn’t. There wasn’t a triple negative anywhere in her post.
Saurfang’s explanation of why he chose not to kill him still isn’t groveling.
I think he’s done explaining himself and is just getting to fight / gather more people to fight Sylvanas and her drones now. That’s the impression I got from this patch, at least.
This probably wasn’t intentional, but you’re not wording this correctly. He wasn’t trying to get the Horde to lose. He states, plainly, he wanted Anduin to stop Sylvanas.
I don’t think you really want to get cute with grammar.
Getting captured isn’t treason. Being imprisoned isn’t treason. Escaping prison isn’t treason. Choosing to live in a swamp over returning to a place you don’t belong isn’t treason.
So… I have to guess you’re talking about when he fought off the assassins trying to kill him in SoS? Is that the treason you’re talking about?
An angry, rage-fueled rant where he’s throwing furniture around after Anduin implies Saurfang wants more innocents to die hardly equates to pouring his heart out.
I assume they’re talking about him intentionally sparing Anduin with the hope he’d stop Sylvanas.
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ITT: DiF and I guess maybe Irenaus put forth the supposition that mercy is more treasonous than ordering your troops into a kill zone, then ordering their deaths, then making skeleton slaves out of them.
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Were in my post did I say that there was a triple negative in her post, I’ll wait.
Saurfang’s explanation involves him complaining to a 18yo boy about the Horde’s Warchief, which he later admits that he wanted that 18yo boy’s help to stop her. He is effectively getting on his hands and knees and begging for Anduin’s help. All I saw was
I want my Horde back please help me get it back, Sylvanas is so mean wahhhh wahhhhhh wahhhhh.
Geez guys this a fantasy forum were a bunch of nerds talk about make believe not a grammar contest. lol
Yes, he slaughtered the Horde soldiers sent to retrieve him, and I can add conspiracy to the list.
Saurfang was desperate for help from the Anduin during the Battle for Lordaeron, he then gets locked up and decides to stay in Stormwind after being approached by the Horde PC. Finally Anduin visits him and he tells Anduin its all Sylvanas’ fault, I want may Horde back, and I hoped you would stop her.
I see that as a plead for help.
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Complaining isn’t groveling.
Well, I assume Saurfang’s action happened first since I figured they meant when he knocks back Anduin instead of cleaving him in the cinematic. I suppose it could be during the later fight, but seems less likely.
I also wasn’t asserting one being more treasonous than the other. Though, if we’re being technical, I probably would say trying to have your leader overthrown is more treasonous than having your own soldiers killed in a crossfire. Just based on my understanding of the term.
To further clarify, none of this is a moral statement on my end. I’m not even necessarily saying Saurfang committing treason is wrong. Treason, far as I see it, isn’t inherently bad.
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