Healers do not need to DPS

A good healer will know when they can toss out some damage and when they can’t. A majority of the damage comes out at scripted intervals. The more damage a healer can put out while keeping the party alive will end the encounter faster even if its only a few secs. The more damage you do, the less damage everyone takes. It all adds up. Your healers should strive to do their very best.

If they’re still learning it’s fine to sit around a bit and play cautious. That’s fine, but you shouldn’t settle for mediocrity, and neither should your party/raid.

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It’s your own fault someone brought up the raider discussion, you said you routinely play, than you say you you quite, well what is it?

I never said timed, I’m just making a point that some people yell black and blue about how they run content, but when you look into their progress you find in fact they don’t run content, and even in cases they try to argue why their stats are bad, like you, saying you run keys routinely, than when we point out that you don’t run keys you try and make another argument that you quit.

I see some players talking about how easy an M15 is, how healers should be doing X DPS and how anyone could do it, than not only does their raider page show no or little progress, their account level achievements don’t even have one M15 timed, not even completed, they don’t have any links to any evidence showing they play healers or tanks, some people just post to try and look good and forget we can see through this.

So unless some players have 2 separate accounts, not just an alt, we get a fair few people telling us we must be bad if we cannot do an M15 or if we cannot pump out X DPS, yet no evidence showing they can either.

Take away all the wannabe players, take away all the paid runs, take away all the players like you who sit here and tell us how easy it is, than make excuses when we call you out and you have a very small, very specific group of players who can smash out an M15 with the healer pulling something decent on the DPS meters.

And you think it has nothing to do with the fact some DPS are so bad they cannot even compete with thank level DPS? Or the players who take damage they should not be taking?

You ever go into LFR? Try it one day as a healer and have a laugh, you will notice very quickly that bad players take away all the time you think you have and force you to primarily heal. There are some guilds now even just starting to get CE in Nya, I very highly doubt this has anything to do with the healer not providing enough or any DPS.

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Why do you keep changing toons hoping no one recognizes you ?

There is a wrong answer. Anything you say “Stand there doing nothing”, that’s a wrong answer if you could be doing anything at all.

Funny how I cannot access your profile, raider page or anything else, yet you want to sit here and talk crap about others. You are the exact person whose opinion should be thrown in the bin, yes my WoW profile is hidden, but my raider page is not, so at least I can say I have done M15 or better timed in all dungeons, can provie it, and can give actual feedback on what it is like pugging at that level unlike some others.

What content have you done on your healer? Your main is a hunter?

I had to check that because that was changed over 6 months ago.

I done my KSM as either tanking or healing on my druid in 8.3: ~https://raider.io/characters/us/barthilas/Akäraven

I also have a priest I used from MoP > Legion and again in 8.0 before they threw the nerf book at them too many times and they just didn’t feel the same. I used a DK as a tank in 8.1 and a rogue/hunter in 8.2 before moving to my druid in 8.3.

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Ye I forgot to relog, u can see it meow. Not to dab on you or anything.

I’m not sure timing a 16 as your highest key in healing and healing 0 mythic bosses is a very good base for trying to convince a forum of possible healers that you don’t need to be doing DPS as a healer.

A great healer is able to figure out the best time to dps and when it’s time to heal. Making these threads is encouraging poor gameplay.

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I mean…it’s ill advised to just sit there crosseyed while waiting to heal when instead you could add your damage to shave off time in M+, Raids or even scoring a kill in PvP.

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Bro I don’t go into LFR. That place is bad for your mental health.

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Hey now when we were doing icc 25n I was the only healer near the end due to overgearing and trauma proccing of my procs which proced more procs, I literally chain healed the tank and watched tv. I even stood in the bad to see if my mana bar actually went down (it didnt) solitaire wouldn’t have been a bad idea though.

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Considering timing all dungeons at M15 or higher puts you within the top 10% of all characters worldwide (NA, EU, KR, TW and CN), that definitely is some achievement. Wowhead also shows 12% of all profiles (account wide) to have KSM season 4, and while world of graphs is not yet updated for season 4, it shows 11.6% to have season 3 KSM, also account wide.

I think both of you and a lot more players who claim anything should go into more pug runs, you will get a better picture of just how average the playing base is and how it’s not easy to do even half the stuff some people point out.

Try join some random M15 pug runs and you will very quickly see what I am talking about. Like a guild member yesterday was in a group that I joined with him just to help and very quickly got kicked in favour of another DPS who had a healer with them. My guildie said they had bad feelings about the group and told me the run lasted less than 5 minutes before it fell apart and the healer left.

Meanwhile I pugged my own key and done an M15 because I was careful about who I was taking with me and didn’t just take the first healer or tank who showed up.

That’s the other issue we cannot even fathom, how many runs just fail and don’t even register? There is not a stat for this, you could literally join a thousand runs and bail on every single one and the only people who are going to know are the 4 others in the run with you. We don’t even really know just how bad players are until they start recording players who left and runs that did not time. But what we do have is evidence showing it’s only a small % of the playing base that can do a run and allow things like healers to provide significant DPS.

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can’t argue with this.

the average player is really bad.

but that doesn’t mean, that if there are times where there’s nothing to heal, you should do nothing. :woman_shrugging:

again. literally no reasonable person thinks that in most situations healers should dps instead of healing when healing is needed.

Yeh but have you read some of the responses here? People are not reasonable with healers claiming they can easily top 100K DPS. You certainly cannot do this with pugs or even with players who play around the M20 mark as they will struggle.

I mean sure throw some DPS when you have spare time, but the issue that stems from the top is that lower level players will try and emulate this. Some will watch the MDI or any other M+ tournament and think “Wow, I can do that” and than proceed to face check the floor.

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Not sure who is saying healers can top 100k DPS easily ?

There is nothing bad about new healers watching MDI and trying to emulate things they do, or watching higher keys been done and trying to emulate what they are doing. Why would this possible be a bad thing?

Even if they face check the floor the first few times they are going to improve and get better. It’s kinda the whole point about self improvement and why being able to intertwine DPS while healing is a skill.

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There is no one in this thread saying this.

I pug stuff all the time, but I am very selective of who I bring and don’t have a problem removing people from the group that can’t keep up. Every M+ I’ve done in season 4 on this character has been majority pugs, at the very most it was myself and a tank friend and 3 pug dps.

Hell back at the very beginning of Cataclysm I led a pug to kill Realm First Heroic Lich King 25 man because no 25 man guilds on our server could kill it and we were strictly a 10 man guild back then.

Because it takes time to get to the point, there is a reason there are only a select few who are even in the MDI and other tournaments and can do what they do. By trying to do what is being done there you need more than just the route they are taking or the affixes they choose, but you need to know the group well enough to know when to pull it off, when to use and save your CD’s, there is a whole raft of things to consider before pulling some fancy moves.

I even noted this mself:

There have been a few, with one claiming you just need a tank who can heal themselves and not need healing to make it happen. Like OK, if we had a tank who did not need healing why even go as heal spec?

For sure, I done my own M15 key last night fine, but at the same time a guild member joined someone elses group that fell apart within 5 minutes. Go join someone else’s random M15 pug and you will see.

Sorry, I’m not buying this at all this is a complete hack response.

People trying to do this could lead them to a path where they get interested in trying to find a team to regularly play with (Which is an aspect of MMORPGs no?) but by actively discouraging this kind of self-improvement in a player you completely sever their chance of doing this.

Your replies read like someone who had a bad encounter in a pug and got yelled at by a nasty person so you took to the forums to start a crusade against healers doing damage.

It’s kinda awkward and I wish you’d just wrap it up and move on really.

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