A long time ago I current raided SSC in TBC. I played a LOT back then. It lasted for the duration of TBC up to the end of SSC then I left.
The game was never really the same after that. I hit the pinnacle of what the game could offer and found that it didn’t have a lasting enjoyment for me. The entire format was so wrong. It got what it meant to be an MMORPG wrong completely. The last few weeks of SSC felt like torture. I was not enjoying it.
Not that I don’t enjoy the game from time to time today. I enjoyed it a lot more when I could multibox dungeons for fun though. Nowadays I probably log a couple months every year.
I do enjoy it but certain limits exist on it that won’t be resolved until the game is returned to an MMORPG feel. I think it’s trying to get there but has some way to go.
This is what happens when players ask for the developers to rid the game of all “borrowed power”. Wanna advance your character? All you gotta do is dungeons and raids. However, there’s plenty of optional content to do in DF. The various reputations offer toys, mounts, cosmetics etc. You can also do the dragon riding races for achievements, NIFFIN dig sites and map scavenging, secret mount collecting like that one called Otto etc. DF definitely isn’t lacking things to do, it’s just people only care about player power, yet didn’t want to advance it in anyway outside of the typical evergreen systems that have been in the game since Classic. We get what we ask for. shrug
I feel like this x.1 lull literally happens every expansion.
Anyway, it’s not a bad thing if you want to play or prioritize other things. It’s really fine.
It’s a perspective, but it’s not the only perspective. What was nice about classic was you could get the borrowed power out of the way in a reasonable amount of time and you got to use the items for a reasonable amount of time. The borrowed power is worse than it has ever been in DF. You have to work five times as hard at it and you get to keep it for 1/5th of the time.
What is the point of farming the items if you don’t want to use them? You get your stuff maxed out then just log out until it is vendor trash? What is the point? The game is designed for those people, to keep them strung along as long as possible. For people who want to play WoW as if it was an MMORPG, it is an untenable situation. RPGs aren’t about endless treadmills. Having this infinite stat inflation and extreme short term treadmilling almost excludes WoW from being considered an MMORPG. Character stat sheet should not dominate the entire game’s design.
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Yes, I’ve been playing Classic for the Joyous Journeys buff, but it’s gone. Last night I played retail, well for a couple of hours anyway.
I did my profession quests, and waited around to protect the guys in the cave. Also killed the world boss down there, and got nothing. I also did a wq or two, and that was it.
There’s no logical flow in retails max level open world. And when you don’t care much for the rep rewards, it’s hard to find a direction to go. Granted I’m comparing this to leveling in Classic, but that’s the feeling I got last night after being away for a few weeks. Not sure what Blizzard can do to improve this, but there it is…
Edit; maybe there is something Blizzard can do. I kinda miss emissaries, and they gave a direction to go, even though it only took a short time to finish, it was a pointer, “go here, do these”.
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The expansion is very bare bones. There is no meat to stick your teeth into. I relied on raid and M+ to keep me going, but doing the same content over and over gets old after a while. I personally can’t do keys over 16-18. That’s my skill ceiling, it is what it is. I don’t ENJOY doing keys at such a high level, it’s just stressful and frustrating especially with random pugs that can’t coordinate over voice chat.
The game is in a bad place when you have to rely on old world content to keep yourself engaged. I’m doing SL campaign now as my main activity (since I skipped over SL entirely). My sub runs out on the 27th and I already canceled. Prob won’t be back for 10.1.5 I’m hoping 10.2 adds more than just a new raid and M+ dungeon rotation.
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If 10.1 had any less content, you wouldn’t even be able to classify it as a game.
However 10.1.5 looks like it might give players activities to get on with so im hopeful for that.
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I think thats actually a lot of players thoughts on the game atm . Ive been debating re activating my FFXIV account. After about Thursday im out of stuff to do . I like m+ but i can only do so many of those before i get bored . Im hopeful for the next patch but im also realistic with how the past 2 patches went . Maybe its time to hang up my blades and staff for good 
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Sometimes it’s because of the content (or lack thereof), sometimes it’s burnout.
For me it’s simple. If I’m having fun playing, I sub. If I feel bored, I unsub.
It’s just a game. No need to overthink it.
I’m happy to stop the mission tables. It took far too much time with my army of alts.
I love dragon riding, but also am happy that i quit my guild. It was too much pressure, and now i just play for fun, and not every day.
Everyone complaining here are finally realizing that his seasonal approach to WoW is just bad for the game.
The game needs to make gearing slow again, and get rid of the gear catch ups each season, maybe have a gear catch up every other season or just one at the end of the expansion.
The limited amount of content is being burned through so fast, because gearing is fast now. Blizzard basically wants you running on an endless treadmill each patch, trying to farm endless difficulties for a chance a few item levels higher.
The progression systems in retail have been horrible for a long time.
Crazy that Vanilla Classic is seeing a huge resurgence at the moment, and these servers are on their last patch cycle too. Vanilla WoW had a winning formula, if retail took that design and polished it some, retail WoW would blow up again.
Retail borrowed too many bad ideas from D3, and the game has been suffering since.
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Let’s view this, the stories are good in a sense it does connect to the npc’s more than the pass.but it does little to the character you are playing . We have developed over time this separation in the game our senses can’t connect to only in our minds,this can’t be helped we are limited being and we have to accept our flaws.
The problem is time , who has that kind of time now .
Never understood this mentality. People act like life in 2004 was somehow different than life in 2023
19 years difference. You expect people to have the same exact lifestyle for almost 20 years ? Are you the same way living at home with your parents 19 years later ? If you are , perhaps you should re evaluate.
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You think people are different from what they were 20 years ago? Last time I checked, people are still basically living the same lifestyles as they did 20 years ago. I’m talking about societies in general here.
You’re approaching this from a biased viewpoint too, like most WoW posters on here, they think their circumstances are the same as everyone elses.
I was 23 in 2004, and I owned my own house and had a full time job, still managed to find time to play WoW then easily.
I’m in my 40s now, and I own my dream house and work a full time job and I’m married to a wonderful person, who loves gaming too, I still find plenty of time for my hobbies.
If you can’t carve out a few hours per week for gaming, then maybe this hobby isn’t for you.
Most people who played this game in those days (myself included ) were middle /high school kids who had nothing but time . Those kids have all grown up now and have responsibilities and lives outside of a video game, they have found hobbies they enjoy doing during their free time . We are not the same society we were in 2004 . In 2004 i was paying $1.99 for gas and buying hardees (carls jr ) regularly with my $5.15 an hour minimum wage job . If you think we are the same society as we were almost 19 years, youre clueless at whats going on around you . You speak about how everyone here thinks their circumstances are the same as everyone elses but have you looked at the hypocrisy in your statement ? You think everyone has the same time that you have ? Im happy youre doing well and have a nice house etc . But not everyone is the same person they were 20 years ago. Priorities change
You couldn’t be more wrong buddy. I played Vanilla, and most of the people that played then were in the 18-45 range. My entire guild then was mostly working adults.
Gaming is bigger now than it has ever been lol. There are more adults gaming now, than any point in time. Gaming is HUGE, a lot of people can balance their play times with regular lives easily.
You’re using inflation as a means to show the world has changed? Are you serious with this nonsense? This is like a very brain-dead take here.
People do the same crap as they did in 2004 as they’re doing now. I’m talking about society in general here, not your personal story. People worked, went to school, got married, bought houses, ect ectt… The same thing can be said for today.
The only other difference is that technology has progressed quite a bit, which has made an impact, but the same basic human desires existed in 2004 as they do 2023. You keep approaching this with a biased viewpoint.
You made a statement that alluded that no one has time for an old school MMO, and I pushed back, because you’re clearly blinded by your own bias here. By the way, there are plenty of kids playing Classic as we speak, you completely forgot that there are younger generations that are interested in old school MMOs.
No, I don’t, but I don’t assume that people don’t have time to play games like you did. You’re projecting your own personal circumstances into this conversation, trying to pretend this is the norm, when in fact, this isn’t the case at all. You need to understand that MMOs attract a huge demographic of players. I play Lord of the Rings Online and that game has a huge amount of people playing it that are retired 60 year olds, that spend a huge amount of time playing the game, way more than I can.
No duh, I’m not talking about us specifically here, I’m talking about societies in general. Again, this is am extremely myopic and bias take on this topic here.
Edit: Adding you to mute here, because I’m tired of debating silly takes like yours. Stop pretending like your circumstances are the norm. MMOs have a huge demographic of players with varying circumstances.
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Having more fun in old wrath classic then retail. that saying alot.
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