More battle? Possibly? More battles against the Horde lead by Garrosh? Not at all.
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Are you forgetting Garrosh invading Ashenvale, with Tyrande fighting against him?
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Let’s not forget that not only did Turalyon become the leader of the Army of Light somehow, but they also started counting down the years of war once he was there. It’s the “1000 years war” because apparently the preceding 25,000 years don’t count because Turalyon wasn’t there.
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And she was knocked out half way during said battle. With Varian being the one to realize Garrosh’s strategy. I would also point out Tyrande could have thought this was just a fluke on Garrosh’s end. Varian however would not considering Garrosh managed to out smart him in both Theramore and his first invasion of Ogrimmar.
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I’m also pretty sure the absolute stupidity of A Little Patience is not only what killed the whole Trials of the High King nonsense, but also the scenario system as a whole. It was so bad.
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I know it was something in fantasy that was used often, to say that humans are the most adaptable, like they are the cockroaches of DND haha
But in wow, i will say that, its more that they kinda steal a lot of the culture of the others, like in war2/3 you had only dwarves being gryphon riders, and in wow humans magically learned to use it.
Also in lore, humans learned magic lot faster than the elves, but, it was noticable also for the ogres and the mogu, and to me it feels like all titan related races are very fast learner when it comes to the arcane.
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Being fast learners is fine. What’s not fine is Jaina being 40ish and way more powerful than 10,000+ year old elves. That’s not just humans being fast learners, that’s just humans being superior.
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Prophet Zul + Talanji + Thalyssra + Chosen Champion of Azeroth encountering Jaina alone: “We have no chance, we must escape”
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I miss scenarios. They were a cool idea.
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Thats a fair point, and i always found it very dumb myself.
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While the phrase might be new, the sentiment has been around a long time, and traces its origins well beyond WoW. Most fantasy settings have a high dominance of humans, with the clearly more powerful, ancient and magical races in decline and pushed to the margins of the world. Because it’s the “Age of Humans” or some shenanigans.
In WoW, it really became a thing people discussed when they realized the most powerful mages and paladins are humans, and overall the Big Deal NPCs we follow along are more often humans. Throw in a few mentions of ancient elf wizards getting schooled to some degree by much younger human wizards for good measure.
It’s obviously not as bad as some people make it out to be. But it’s also not some new-ish post-BfA argument. That might have started use of the phrase, but people have been talking about the prevalence of humans are top guys in the setting for a while.
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The current expansion invented an entire new continent worth of humans and shoved some of them underground for an expansion that should have little to nothing to do with humans specifically.
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I mean, we also got more trolls too!!!
And these humans don’t seem particularly special compared to other humans. Just more human-y humans, with a Light fetish comparable to the Scarlets only without the icky racism (so far).
It’s not that bad!!
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Look at Lord of the Rings, the fantasy franchise as an example. Magic is leaving the world and almost every race that isn’t human is dying out with it.
It incidentally also created the cliche of elves as a dying race which I have a lot of grumbling words about.
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One of my longest standing grievances with Night Elven stories is they historically are some variation of “You were once a global empire and now look at you, living in trees among the ruins of greatness”. It was never about celebrating what is, or what will be, only about The Diminishing of the Elves.
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It extends to every elf offshoot too. Azshara blew the Night Elves up, they destroyed Nordrassil, High/Blood Elves were wiped out by the scourge, Nightborne stagnated under the barrier and gave up the artifact keeping them alive upon emerging from it.
Amirdrassil is one of the very rare times I can recall it happening in reverse to elves in fiction.
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The meme existed before that was on Beta. It’s a common trope thrown around in sci-fi and fantasy works that have multiple races. The elder races usually talk about Humans being young, inexperienced but having “alot of untapped potential”
The fact that blizzard added it almost verbatim to the BFA beta was hilarious though and definitely escalated people meming about it in the WoW lore community.
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And as per usual, the Tolkien influence has been flipped and twisted in the works that it inspired. Tolkien’s elves aren’t dying out at the end of the Third Age; they’re either finally listening to a summons that they were sent several millennia ago, or are returning to the home they originally came from. There’s plenty of actually dead elves in Tolkien, and none of them are gracefully sailing across the sea unless they are one of the few lucky enough to have been reincarnated at some point (hi Glorfindel). Meanwhile, the hobbits and dwarves aren’t dying out, and things are actually looking pretty optimistic for them at the end of LotR.
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Haven’t Horde players been literally on their hands and knees begging for a light wielding ham-fistedly “facist” human villain?
I can get the issue with mages, although I think that just has to do with Jaina being the oldest (not in universe, but oldest as in oldest on screen appearance) mage still living in the game (they shouldn’t have killed Kael’thas), thus is more popular than others who only appeared in WoW. But still, I think they made Jaina too powerful, I think the biggest issue isn’t necessarily her being the strongest, it’s that she’s the strongest AND it’s not even close, if it as a much more narrow margin I don’t think it’d be as big of a deal.
As for paladins, while in universe Draenei are probably the oldest paladins in the universe the oldest on screen depiction of them is humans, who, on Azeroth at least, created the concept of a paladin, so barring Draenei they probably wouldn’t have any other competitors, and I think just in general the human paladin is more popular visually than the Draenei paladin.
As a side note, I’ve just realized it’s kinda disappointing how Draenei paladin’s aren’t really that different from Human or dwarf paladin’s, they really should have had them feel different, sort of like the whole Tidesage and shaman difference.
What is funny in that expac is that if you notice you have :
Humans with long ears
Elven trolls
Eleven nerubians
Its like they just wanted to do more elves!