Classic is the epitome of boring play.
And that’s your choice. All I ask is for more choice in the current game.
Less than 5% of the pop actually does the content requiring all the grinding people are doing right now. Slightly more for high ranked arenas.
Boring, is subjective, not objective. So it isn’t based on any facts, just how you feel about something.
I’m responding to your asinine questions lol.
Dude, I have a lot of respect for you, we’ve had a lot of good discussions in the past, but you have this habit of jumping into a topic without bothering to acknowledge any of the things that came before in the conversations and you focus on feelings more than facts.
This is a discussion on facts, not feelings.
Let’s stay on topic.
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Which again, has nothing to do with the topic at hand lol.
Essences are required not just to boost performance, but to smooth out clunky gameplay.
That doesn’t feel fun. Something I believe Blizzard would value being told by their players.
Being able to choose my progression path without being limited by what tasks I haven’t completed in solo content, is very much relevant to the topic.
As I said earlier, if you bothered to you know, read the thread before jumping into another discussion.
Normal/Heroic content does not require anymore than Rank 1 essence to complete.
You only need more if you’re pushing mythic, which most people will never actually do.
And if I want to progress past that, or push higher in keys, I will eventually have to go back to solo content.
You’ve also neglected the point that it affects class gameplay. Which is valued in all tiers of play.
Continue to tell others that their feelings aren’t relevant to their enjoyment of the game. Our discussion isn’t moving forward at all.
No.
The topic is whether or not FACTUALLY BFA is alt friendly or not. Factually, it is alt friendly. It is however, not all that enjoyable, which has ZERO to do with how friendly it actually is.
Yes, but AGAIN, as I have said over a dozen times in this thread, if you are one of those people who wants to push that, YES you have more work to do, but that still doesn’t make it unfriendly lol.
The fact is, most people don’t mythic raid and most don’t do mythic+, which means, they do not actually need any of the things they are grinding to unlock, at all.
Which has nothing to do with alt friendliness or unfriendliness.
Again, you are talking feelings which mean literally nothing in an argument on facts.
Their feelings have ZERO relevancy to a FACTUAL discussion.
Period.
You can feel however the hell you want about anything, but it doesn’t change the facts.
For me this is by far the least alt friendly expansion. The litany of reputations and daily or weekly grinds that are necessary to unlock essences, azerite, or whatever, is just soul crushing. I’m so sick of dailies and WQ’s and whatever else I felt I needed to do, but didn’t want to do, just to unlock abilities or character functionality.
The major issue for me is the time gating.
Anything time gated where I can only earn so much rep/exp/ap/whatever a day makes me feel so negative about logging in. If I want a character I already leveled to 120 brought up to speed I’m looking at many many days of logging in every day doing multiple sets of dailies that I’ve already done hundreds of times.
And then the gearing… Making the best gear be totally random from a weekly cache is, again, soul crushing. Even gear that isn’t as random, m+ or raid drops, you still desire the random roll of wf/tf, or now corruption. Nothing feels more awful on an alt than getting an item from your cache that is the same slot as the only item you have that’s a decent ilvl. Or just as bad, getting an item you don’t want on your alt but have been looking to get on your main for a while :\
In previous expansions the main barriers for playing alts was just leveling and gearing. Rep grinds existed, but it was mostly to unlock helm enchants or other small power upgrades. Maybe there are specific examples where it was more significant but I can’t remember. And often the rep was obtainable from dungeons.
With leveling I can do it at my own pace, and I don’t feel like I miss out on progress if I don’t log in that day. In fact, if I don’t log in I get to level faster the next day because of rested exp.
For gearing, in other expansions I was mostly able to gear alts doing what I wanted to do anyway. It may have taken a while to catch them up, or get them to a point I was happy with, but at least the content I was doing was interesting, challenging, or fun.
Regardless of the time investment needed for alts in this expansions, vs others; by far this expansion feels the worst to catch an alt up in. I would much rather level and play an alt in vanilla, tbc, wrath, etc… than now.
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The thread asked the history of the game. I know from experience all the way back to Wrath playing alts was worse than now by a country mile as the saying goes. I’ve never had as easy a time playing alts in WoW than I have now. There were no makeup quests back in the early xpac days to get you quick good gear. You ran dungeons calling in group chat and hoped you rolled good enough to beat other people for gear in dungeons and raids slowly building up from dungeon gear to raid gear. It took quite a while unless you were super lucky to get a full set of raid gear with a good weapon.
Now you have people crying about, “I didn’t get the perfect traits and all my guaranteed essences for questing without putting time in to play.” For those of us that played Wrath and before grinding rep, competing for ore/herb nodes, no world quests, dailies gave gold, no looking for group tools, harder dungeons and raids, and generally a far more alt unfriendly game know that BFA is pretty far from alt unfriendly.
I’ve never seen it more alt friendly than now. I get an alt to 120 and I can have him geared for mythics within an hour with emissaries, world quests, Benthic armor, and the opening quests and the like.
This game is by far easier now than I’ve ever seen it. And lo and behold we still have people saying, “Has it WoW ever been more alt unfriendly than now?” I can only say yes, yes, yes. It has been vastly more alt unfriendly than now by a huge margin. I played quite a bit and I could only manage two mains. One a healer/dps shaman and one a tank/dps death knight. That was carrying two full sets of gear with alternate enchants, gems, and the like taking up bag space. It was way more alt unfriendly back in the early days of WoW.
If people are complaining about BFA being alt unfriendly, I can only imagine if the WoW team took it back to wrath the level of crying that would occur about how alt unfriendly the game was. They have made huge, enormous jumps in making this game more alt friendly. There were times I couldn’t even finish quests because there was no sharding, ghosting, or any of the new game mechanics that allow multiple people to hit he same node or mob or the quick respawn times. Or the slow rep grinding of the past. I literally quit the game in Cataclysm because of the rep grind way back in the first three xpacs of WoW. It was a real chore and made the game annoying.
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I love your description as it fits exactly with what I was trying to tell the moose.
Your entire post and position is based on how you feel, “Soul Crushing” is how you described it.
Not whether it is more difficult or time consuming, just tedious, grindy and boring.
The problem with the moose and some others is that this is a factual discussion as the OP wrote:
“Has any point in WoW’s history been this alt unfriendly”
Which is his attempt at trying to make a factual statement, not a feeling.
You guys are more than welcome to FEEL however you want, but factually, it isn’t more unfriendly.
If a player doesn’t want to play their alt because of unfriendly factors, I don’t know how you could argue otherwise.
If they brought things in retail back to Vanilla levels, they would have a coronary.
They don’t know what alt unfriendly actually is, too caught up in their feelings.
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Are you being intentionally dense?
Serious question.
Your enjoyment of something doesn’t change the facts on the ground, period.
Of course it does. You’re arguments irritate me. I see you as unfriendly, lol.
Case in point.
I happen to love EVE, I love the depth and the complexity. That is how I feel about the game, just like you have your feelings on WoW.
But if I was to take those feelings and make a factual statement about the game, saying for instance, the game is totally accessible and not complicated at all, I’d be lying or misrepresenting the truth.
Which is what you’re doing.
Factually, WoW is incredibly alt friendly and has been since Wrath.
You FEEL otherwise, but those feelings do not change the facts.
I feel EVE has an amazing system and is an amazing game, but factually, I’d be wrong.
I know some on here gotta remember the monetary cost of changing talent trees and that was a mechanic they added I think in Wrath. Before that you paid and had to remember what talents to pick. Then redo your bars with abilities.
Some remember having to fill your far more limited bag space with entire gear sets for alternate specs. When my shaman was called on for healing, it took a 10 or 20 minutes to switch out all the gear and prepare to heal. I didn’t have some tome to use to switch in the middle of the raid or dungeon. I had an entire bag of gear dedicated to healer spec which required a heavy spirit stat for mana regen.
Different world back in those days. Most people were their characters. I ran with the same guys running the same classes and specs daily. They usually had to ask you to take on of their alts on a gear run, usually after they geared up their main. We knew people by name and class back in those early days because you rarely got to play alts because no one wanted you rolling for gear on an alt against someone else’s main.
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It’s a known fact that many players don’t wish to play alts this expansion. Does that sound friendly to you?
Oh hell yeah, the game was so much more complex back then than it ever has been, these arguments they’re making are ludicrous.