Hardcore Battlegrounds: Sparring Grounds!

Why not let players have fun? No death and no reward BGs would not bother me the least.

You know they would never be happy with that, they would immediately start complaining how it was unfair that they couldn’t get gear, then would want that added. That and adding any non HC content would make people ask for more non HC options, like being able to raid without dying.

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The slippery slope. You might be rigth. I do not PvP and I do not do BGs. So I would not know.
If people really would like to to BGs just for fun (and bragging rights - something like the string of ears), then my argument stands and it should be added. If they want to do it for loot and rewards, then you’re right and it should not be added - a risk-free way of getting OP gear is not exactly HC :wink:

I don’t find any of this to be a very solid argument against BGs with zero rewards; especially when a lot of the suggestions have revolved around reimagining BGs that don’t involve actual death. You’re not arguing against the idea itself, you’re just arguing that it creates future demands.

Based on past threads, your core complaint seems to be that it goes against the spirit of HC to allow any form of death, and I think that’s a far more respectable stance to take even if I think that we can reimagine how BGs are designed to not actually involve death so that it respects the spirit of HC. Beyond that, by not offering rewards to BGs we also respect that with no risk comes no reward for HC players so all we’ve done is created something people can engage in if they choose to, but are not penalized for choosing not to.

To me the value of creating more content to keep players engaged in is more important than shirking it because “It’s just not HC enough for my tastes”

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You are right, my real core argument against BGs is that it goes against the sprit of HC to have content where people can die. I also can’t really buy into any ideas where we pretend people don’t die in BGs just so they can maintain being HC, like its all some sort of giant dual, but again this likely goes towards the importance of the spirit of HC as I see it. Obviously others will disagree with this view.

The statement “it’s just not HC enough for my tastes” also doesn’t really fit this scenario in my mind, since I don’t really see HC is being on a scale of easy to hard, its more of a your alive, or your dead, there is no scale.

That said, I do find myself falling more towards the #nochanges side on a lot of the things people seem to request all the time, but a lot of thats keeping wow what it is, and less about it being HC. I would cringe if it became something like Diablo (which I like) or Retail where leveling is simply meaningless because you are so overpowered. That said the hypocritical side of me does say get rid of petri flasks. :slight_smile:

Then you could maybe think of a BG like a duel on a grand scale. If you duel for fun, you’re left with 1HP, same could happen in HC BGs. If lack of BGs for fun really deter players that would else join HC wholeheartedly, I think they should implement “No death/no reward”-BGs in HC … and this comes from a staunch #NoChanger :slight_smile:

I am sure some people can, but then can’t you just add that say justification for almost any type of death or situation? Yes, I realize it’s the same slippery slope argument, and maybe its a stretch, but then again, you only have to read a few of the posts on the forum to see people asking for more.

Personally just sad they aren’t giving us TBC, such a different game especially since most classes have more balance. Also really like the idea that someone else had for PvP, on making it so you could only toggle in the main cities, making it so people can’t just flag to kill someone, without having to roam flagged themselves.

I just think, well people can duel - and they do for fun. Then BGs could be fun as well. And yes I see people asking for more all the time, and if all those ‘mores’ were implemented, it would not be WoW any longer.
But also I kinda think: Duels and BGs both exist in WoW, why not let non-lethal/no-rewards BG become a thing in HC?

Personally I have no interest in BGs and never ever would willingly enter one … as PvP is so not my poison; whereas HC is and I would love HC to have a server progress into TBC - to the extent that I suspect I migth take it up as a personal challenge like in the good old days. I miss my Draenei Paladins :wink: … One condition: The server is going to stop at TBC or Wrath, I am not playing and losing all to Cata once again.

I don’t even want WOTLK.

I would prefer to have TBC Era servers too, but HC in Wrath is fun as well.
But am not going to play until we’re told where it stops.