Griefing absolutely exists. That’s such a clown take. At least 50-60% of classic content is literally just people griefing eachother.
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86% of statistics are made up on the spot
Great counter bro. Good job. You really made the argument that griefing doesn’t exist.
I was running some routes on alliance rogues to get the feel for it, but I just know I’d be longing to be Horde.
But you got me interested though.
You make up statistics, you make up stories about a griefer boogeyman, you make up some falsehood about PvP not existing on PvE realms.
It’s like you’re living in some fantasy world where you can’t see reality. All to suit your personal preferences… in an MMO… where thousands of other people are playing…
Stop being selfish. Either play it or don’t. The game isn’t broken. Maybe it’s you.
I think you don’t play classic wow if you actually don’t think griefers exist. I never said it doesn’t exist on a PvE realm. You’re actually just putting words in my mouth. Tricking people into flagging on PvE realms has always been a bannable offense, because get this, it’s a… PvE realm. PvP definitely exists though, in the form of duels, or players entering the enemy capitals, the gurubashi arena, stuff like that.
If pvp isn’t allowed on pve realms, then why hasn’t it been changed after nearly 20 years?
All of a sudden Theranus comes along and decides they are going to be a bastion of change and that “War” doesn’t belong in WARcraft and we will instead hold hands and defeat enemies with the power of love.
It’s not happening. Deal with it or play something else.
Good luck with your crusade.
Oof, another bad one bro. It definitely did change in retail WoW. They completely removed PvP servers and created something called Warmode, where you can opt in and opt out at will to stop PvP griefing.
The game we’re playing is a moderate replication of how it was back then. I played on a PvE realm back then and yeah, it was still completely against the rules to trick people into flagging and it was definitely against the rules to go around killing quest npcs, even if it was technically possible. It was called Zone disruption.
You’re acting like a child that just doesn’t like that the world has rules.
Also, the only crusade being fought is by you. People have been getting banned regularly for griefing HC players. One month suspensions.
I think you solved your own “problem”.
Enjoy your dragons
Yet again… such a great deflection based response with absolutely no argument… because you don’t have one. You just don’t like the rules.
Much like this game (and world) doesn’t revolve around you, neither does this thread.
You have failed to make any valid points or ideas or even remotely any good opinions.
I think you should bow out of this. You’re focusing on me instead of anything tangible- you’re beginning to go off the rails. Save your pride. Just my advice.
Holy projection bat man. You can’t defend yourself at all can you?
The world has rules, the game has rules, you can’t change that, I can’t change that. The game definitely doesn’t revolve around me or you. The rules are there, you’ll be banned for griefing if you grief. Sorry bro.
Define griefing.
Is that someone killing a quest NPC repeatedly? Kiting a dragon into their own faction? I’ll compromise and say that’s server disruption.
Or is it something more personal that has you so rabidly triggered? Alliance stealthed on a quest giver? Alliance kiting a dragon? Tricking someone to become pvp flagged? That’s not griefing.
Anything else is fair game.
It’s faction warfare. Deal with it.
Except on a PvE server, there is no faction warfare. That’s the point of a PvE server.
Tricking someone into PvP flagging on a PvE server has always been considered griefing. As I stated before, there is no faction conflict in the open world on a PvE server, that’s for BGs.
Kiting a dragon, an elite or whatever and then feigning ontop of you with the pure intent of killing you typically wouldn’t really be griefing, except in this new HC mode that we are about to have. It’s griefing in the context of HC. With a new mode, comes new issues and new rules in some cases.
Read this and remember it, because it’s been 20 years and has never changed-
PvP is not exclusive to PvP realms. PvP exists on PvE realms. It will not be changed in classic, it is a game mode that was revitalized based on no changes. To ask for sweeping fundamental changes is selfish and asinine.
They are not remaking the entire game because you didn’t agree to consensual pvp with someone from the opposing faction. The opposing faction exists to be the enemy. Someone to fight, in a game called WARcraft.
I’ll repeat- just because you don’t like it, does not mean it is not how the game- Classic wow- was designed to be played.
You seem like the type of person that only hears what they want so I’ll try again- PvP is not exclusive to PvP realms. PvP exists on PvE realms. Try to really think and understand that.
There is literally no sage space in this game no matter where you go. The “no deaths” playstyle does not align with anything in the entirety of classic wow. It is your own choice. YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME MODE NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE EXISTING PLAYERBASE.
There’s my wall of text. I don’t know how else to break it down any more simple, but I’m sure there will be 20 more threads tomorrow saying “Griefers bad”
Well, considering your entire wall of text neglects one single point that tears it entirely apart. What you are saying, and I’ve said it probably 10 times in this ‘debate’, is against the rules. And you can be banned for it. And nothing you can do, and nothing that I can do can change that.
With new game modes, comes new rules, too. Griefers are being banned for griefing on unofficial HC servers already by Blizzard. I’ve said this, too. I’m not asking for sweeping fundamental changes, this is just how things already are.
The only griefer that was banned was the one on alliance that was spending like 10 hours a day killing his own faction.
Nones getting banned for killing the other faction, unless reports are being weaponized. Be careful with that, as that can be reversed and you can get DCed and die if ppl want to do that back.
Again, you’re so worried about the boogeyman you don’t even stop to think about whether they even exist.
I can think of at least 15 people that were banned in relation to HC griefing in the last month.
You’re insinuating with that last line that griefers don’t exist, and that is such an asinine insinuation, it literally makes me question whether or not you even play classic. There’s an entire discord focused purely on HC griefing.
The individual youre talking to is a known troll who boasted about it in his first ever thread. Almost every post he has is him baby raging at other people for playing the game. You are wasting your time talking to this person. He exists solely to be inflammatory.
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Your post of lies is so boring that I’ll probably be asleep before I can even finish this sent