Not trying to split hairs, but I’d say they’re instead overeagerness. Inconsiderate of the original design. I get it; I’ve houseruled TTRPGs indulgently from time to time. But Classic devs shouldn’t have seen this as an opening for design just because Wrath dungeons were tuned lower than BC’s (but I’ll note, much more closely on par with Mists and WoD after Cata’s sobering lesson). If we really needed a harder mode, more HP and damage were sufficient to let the original mechanics shine through.
Assuming they refuse to make new dungeons, which would be the ideal solution?
Then they should use the model they used originally in wrath. Up doot the damage/hp and make new mechanics for each boss. That would at least be something new on a boss by boss level instead of “herp derp here’s the same mechanic every mob in the dungeon already has”
You literally have these backwards. GS only takes into account gear you currently have equipped.
Average ilvl takes into account all gear in your inventory or on your player. Or at least that’s how it works when it’s brought in as an actual display.
But neither system actually takes into account if an item is good for your spec.
Both GS and ilvl can be inflated by just wearing the highest ilvl gear you have.
My highest ilvl libram is the Relentless Glad healing Libram that increases Flash of Light healing, yet it increases my Prot Spec’s GS and ilvl.
They are largely the same, except that GS weights some equipment slots more heavily than others.
i.e. a 245 chest gives a higher GS than a 245 bracer, because chests have way more stats than bracers.
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Original Wrath had a fantastic gear catch-up mechanic when RDF hit. I’d say the best ever in the history of the game.
I lvl and GS are two very different things and they have different values as well.
Max gear score in Wrath can be over 5,200 Max item level in Wrath cannot even top 290+. So… tell me in what way does less than 300 equal to over 5,000? I will await your answer is to how it does. Item level is the system bult in game and made by Blizzard. GS and ilvl NEVER have had matching values.
a full 200 item level toon will equal 3,400 gearscore… so tell me right now. how are those values the exact same? Does 200 equal 3,400? Does 277 equal 4,150?
Nope. They are two very different values. ilvl is an average. GS is a total. If you have 20 people in a room and they are all 40 years old then does that mean that each and every person there is 800 years old? By your logic that is the case… but by actual facts… a total and an average are NOT the same value. Therefore, GS and iLvL are different.
You honestly think that if you add up all the averages than that gives the same exact value of the max total. If there was an elementary school with 1,000 kids all 10 years old, you would think that each and every kid there was 10,000 years old because you seem to think that the combined value is the exact same as the average value.
Sorry to say but GS and ivl are VERY different values. VERY different.
And also one values takes into account what you have currently equipped, the other system measure everything that you have even if is equipped or not.
One is what you have, the other is what you have equipped and GS will take into account the fact that certain slot give more value to your toon than others do. Chest, helms and weps, will give better for the GS then the other slots such as boots will, even if at the same ilvl so the GS system takes the value of each item and adds it up. It is a total of everything as a valued worth while ilvl is the average of everything. Wrath GS is going to be well over 10x higher of a vaule than your item level will be.
Kinda odd how you people all claimed to have played back in og Wrath and yet every one of you thinks that GS and ilvl are the exact same? Na.
And for those who still argue with me, WoW right now currently lists us as what or item levels are. My pally is just over 440 item level retail right now. That is my item level, my gearscore would be much higher, in the thousands. GS is not, never has been and never will be the exact equal to what item level is. The two are very different.
Good lord.
Good bloody lord.
You’ve never played the game ever have you?
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Coming from someone who doesn’t know the difference between ilvl and GS or from someone who doesn’t know that RDF and LFG are two different things until I told them, or from someone who thought that RDF came out when Wrath did or from someone who thought that it should be different in Wrath now because this is not how you remember Wrath 3.4 when there was no 3.4 in Wrath. But um yea… IM the one who doesn’t play. Alrighty then.
I literally pointed out the difference earlier.
See?
You can go away now.
Literally nothing you just posted has any connection with reality.
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GS has nothing to do with item level rarity. You can have two people in full epics which is in that case, matching rarity. And yet their GS can be well over 1,000 apart. GS and iLvL are not even remotely the same values.
Your GS will go up if you have gems and enchants, your item level never will. It is the over all VALUE of al of your gear combined. while ivl is the average of all gear with or without enchants, your item level is not changed by that.
Your ivl can be what you have in your bags even if not equipped, your GS is what you are currently wearing. You can have all your best gear in your bank and still show up as having a super high item level. GS however, is what you currently have on.
Two people coming to a raid with the same class, exact same gear in every single spot will show up as having the exact same item level no matter what, unless one is hiding better stuff in their bags.
But we are saying they both have exact same everything in bags and equipped, then their item level will be exactly the same. But. One is fully gemmed and fully enchanted, the other has zero gems and zero enchants. Then their item level will be the same, but the person with the gems and enchants will have a higher gearscore.
But yea. you seem to think these two are exactly the same and are to be used interchangeably.
That’s literally what it is.
Not even a little bit.
Cause they can for all intents and purposes.
You have gotten not 1 thing about GS right so far, maybe, just maybe, you should try to google it?
Just to get 1 thing right? For once? Please?
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Nope. Two GS epics can measure very differently. yet have the same rarity.
Yes, actually. That is how it works.
Only if they’re in different slots or have different ilvls.
Same slot and same ilvl? It’s going to be the same GS. Sorry dear.
Oh bless your heart, no, it really isn’t.
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Show us a SINGLE person that said they are exactly the same? The most anyone said is that they represent the same information, so your whole rant about the values is completely irrelevant.
It is literally a formula of the item’s level, rarity and gear slot. Which is exactly what Jeynar said here
2 items that are the same item level and the same rarity and the same slot will have the same gear score.
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WRONG. One that is fully gemmed and enchanted will have a higher GS than the one that isn’t, yet will have the exact same item level.
GS will increase the more potential you have to preform better. gems and enchants do that.
So… based on your denial of this issue… I’m just going to take a wild guess here… your gearscore sucks? Either that or you got carried to it cuz you have zero clue what gearscore even is and are confusing it with item level.
As the name suggests, gearscore gives a numerical value to all your currently equipped items that helps other players to determine your previous game experience, knowledge, and even your skill level. On top of this, gearscore takes into account your equipped totems and librams but does include your enchants and gems.
I found that direct quote from Google… since you went there… hm lets see here…
but does include your enchants and gems
And what was that? Oh… right that was
But DOES include your enchants and gems
One more time for you since you are not getting it… again that is
but DOES INCLUDE your ENCHANTS and GEMS
And again?
But DOES INCLUDE your ENCHANTS and GEMS
DOES INCLUDE ENCHANTS and GEMS
Wrong. More proof that you literally don’t play.
“Does gearscore count gems and enchants?” on Google
Articles from 2010 saying no.
And it doesn’t now either.
The ONLY things taken into account for gearscore is the item’s level, rarity and slot.
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The ONE article posted in 2022? Yeah okay.
How about you look at the hundreds of articles from 2010 that say it doesn’t?
Na… Im right here. You are wrong. I know that I am right. That Jeynar chick is wrong on just about every point they ever make in these threads ever. Your best bet from now on out is to not agree with them on anything that they say ever.
They tell you the sun is yellow, you can tell them that it isn’t. It actually isn’t but they are wrong about everything so they will say that it is.
Hey are we playing WoW in 2010 or in 2023? Which is more relevant.
Retail Wrath is not even close to being the same as what the original version was.
You know nothing.
GS and ilvl are not the same. Blizz only goes off of item level. If you actually had a retail toon you would know that. Ima laugh so hard at you when they actually out the item level system into Classic later while you still have your GS system and watch the bewilderment on all of the posts you are going to start spamming here on the forums asking why they have completely different values.
HAHAHAHHAHAHA you’re a clown.
I’m not sure? If 2010 is irrelevant then why do you bring up that you played original Wrath and that makes you an expert?
And that article you looked at was BEFORE WRATH CLASSIC CAME OUT.
And it’s not a displayed number that’s easily accessed and is only used for background systems in Wrath as many people have already said. So the community uses Gearscore.
When they introduce item level as the displayed system in CATACLYSM people will use that THEN.
And no, nobody will wonder why they’re different values because NORMAL people understand there are different ways to measure something.
But anyways bye, I’m blocking you because any more trying to get through your dense skull will get me banned.
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You’re the one who mentioned 2010. That was the end of Wrath, start of Cata. No one who actually ever played Wrath states it as a 2010 game. I only said that cuz you did.
Good. Glad you blocked me cuz you have no clue what you are talking about.
Item level came out in original WoW patch 3.2. You know nothing and you know you know nothing. Good to be rid of you.
Um… hey I got some screenshots of me in the Arena Tournament… and we had item levels on our gear then. That was for S8. Oh yea but once again… IM the one who never played original Wrath lol. LOL LOL. Hope you blocked me now.