Please blizzard, just revert or partial revert dark ranger. this is the most botched rework i have ever seen in my time of playing this game. Dark ranger is in dire need of fixes and bugs resolved. I cant believe a flagship hero tree that was the face of the expansion and the 11.05 and came with a sylvannas tmog after its release. is being left in this state were it is worst than it was before you touched it.
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I don’t mind the Dark Arrow merge w/ Kill Shot too much but it definitely needs more oomph than it has. I’m not asking for BM tier but like, a Rapid Fire buff would be nice.
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I’ve given up on Hunter Hero talents, honestly… even after the rework it’s not significant, and the other alternative unless you’re SV and mildly benefit in a smoother rotation mechanically is just…a nothing burger.
These could’ve been slotted into the main talent tree as passives, maybe even just put in our class ability book without spending points on them and it’d be the same for less.
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Black arrow has been nerfed by over 60% (depending on your mastery) since it went live.
There was a 10% tuning nerf on the PTR
10% nerf after the mastery bug fix (this was upwards of 40% base and around 60%+ during CD’s with skardyn)
BA needs to be buffed greatly to make DR viable and the bugs really need to be addressed.
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I enjoy the way dark ranger plays now. I would like a bit more damage to compete with the giga chads though
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I was just hoping dark ranger would be a viable pve marks spec after this rework how did they mess it up so badly
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Swap to sentinnel. Its pretty much all passive and gives some nice bonuses. I was doing 1.4 million on normal raid at 607 ilvl. AoE sucks cuz i give up multishot to amp up that single target with other talents, and my only Aoe is a trinket and explosive and my serpent sting spreads.
Sentinel is very boring. dark ranger was perfectly fine before the rework. if you gonna destroy a play style that i enjoy when i am paying to play the game, then you are liable to fix it.
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In 11.0.2 MM Dark ranger was S/A+ tier, MM Sentinel was maybe B tier, but hard to tell as nobody played it. And why would anybody, considering that DR gave 20% more damage to your best abilities, 10% more shadow damage, 10% damage proc and 3mln DoT.
In 11.0.5 both are B/C tier, if that. Even sentinel got nerfed in the process (lost 3sec of Trueshot duration).
And with Precise shots going from 2 to 1 arcane shots, you even have downtime in the rotation in PVP.
MM is unplayable in competitive arena. This rework is a complete disgrace. The only thing it’s good for is roleplaying sylvanas.
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Speak for yourself. I’m a huge fan of the MM tree adjustments, and DR feels much more fun to play now that I get to actually use Black Arrow every fight. Chaining Deathblow procs feels really good, almost like chaining Lock and Load procs on RSV during 5.4 SoO with the 4pc. Especially since the chain procs in AoE let me put the DoT on more enemies, so more ticks of damage, so more chances for more procs (which then also have chances to proc).
Sentinel has been better DPS (simmed and actual) since beta. It still is in 11.0.5 in most contexts. No idea where you’re getting the “DR was better before the rework” idea.
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I’m talking about performance, not playstyle, and the fact is MM dark ranger is worse in both PVE and PVP than 11.0.2
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I’m also talking about performance. You are incorrect.
Where did you see that DR was more performant (than Sentinel) in 11.0.2? All of the guides I saw recommended Sentinel across the board.
Where are you getting the idea that DR now is less performant than 11.0.2 DR?
I know because I watch this PVE guru IZEN guy on youtube and he is the big brain with all the spreadsheets and daily reports on performance of all specs in M+/Raid and he’s the guy who aggregates and keeps all this data and analyzses it every week, and he says it every single day, and also shows the sims and real results alike.
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Your post is notably missing any links or credible information beyond “I trust this rando from YouTube over community consensus”.
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It’s common knowledge by the way. You seem to be the only one unaware 
Here it is at the exact time, you can see MM DR at the bottom
https://youtu.be/qLAm50FRjZ0?t=255
This is the SIM - the theoretical maximum DPS you can get as the spec.
Edit: see for yourself on warcraftlogs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#sample=7&dataset=95
MM is trash.
And on most of the places they only post MM Sentinel because MM DR is so bad nobody even wants to look at it
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I played DR in 11.02 in all forms of content an was even 2500 in first week of the tier for m+.
I also played it in raid and pulled many high logs.
Currently DR is absolute travesty in viability.
Play style did improve, but the numbers are not there or the functionality.
You talk about chaining black arrow on more targets, yet the dot ticks for 3k lol.
crows do less than 2% overall and hounds are appearntly bugged doing less than 1% overall. Black arrow and Dark ranger in general does absolutely no damage.
Razorfragments still do not rolling periodic.
Razorfragments still dont work with ebon bowstring
Razorfragments still dont work with withering fire
Withering fire still has some targeting issues (noticed on mythic silken court, sometimes if the boss jumps behind you an you trueshot the 2ndary arrows wont spawn at all)
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What are you even trying to show me here?
I am asking you how you came to the understanding that DR did more damage than Sentinel in 11.0.2, because all the guides I can find, and all the discussion I remember from that time, was talking about how Sentinel was much better in all contexts.
Here is the archive.org snapshot of the Icy Veins MM guide to Hero Talents from the beginning of September.
Note how they say multiple times that Sentinel is better.
You are conflating my opinions on 11.0.5 Dark Ranger (that it is more fun than 11.0.2 Dark Ranger, in my opinion) with my correction of Kirenaika (that Sentinel has always been better DPS than Dark Ranger, in both 11.0.2 and 11.0.5, in both single target and AoE, in both raid and m+).
I’m aware DR is not doing well and needs a buff to be competitive. Is 11.0.5 Dark Ranger dealing less damage than 11.0.2 Dark Ranger did, assuming the same gear? I’m talking about comparing same spec performance across patches, not relative position compared with other DPS classes/specs/hero talents.
To put it another way, if DR MM got a 1% buff, but everyone else got a 10% buff, DR MM would fall way down in the stack rankings despite being objectively better than it was before.
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Actually this is wrong, sentinel did not do more damage ST than DR in raid.
Sentinel was better due to it having aoe.
In raw ST in sims as well DR was stronger slightly, because sentinel over simmed due to lunar storm up time.
outside of some minor AOE QOL the old DR was pretty good play style wise and fun. It actually had damage and thats all most people care about.
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My understanding (supported by guides at the time) was that an optimized min maxer could match (or even beat) Sentinel on pure ST in isolated circumstances with near-perfect play, but that the entirely passive nature of Sentinel made it much more consistent, to say nothing of the vastly superior AoE.
If I’m wrong I’d like to understand how.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the play style. CDR on BA rather than a full reset when the target died didn’t feel right, and the procs made AiS free but not instant, which felt bad (to me).
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