We’re not as cool as having eternal sass. We just have a sass channel in Discord. 
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This is the main issue in our guild when this happens. What we have found is that most of the new people who join are very resistant to getting on Discord with us. At this stage in the life of WoW, it probably means they’ve had bad experiences or they’re a long-time solo player trying to engage with a group and they feel some type of way about getting on voice chat.
They are uncomfortable joining us in comms for whatever the reason, so when someone is putting a group together, the new guy doesn’t hear about it or ask to join as a result, and he gets left out. We try to consciously and purposefully invite new people, but even when we do that, the ones that never get on comms to speak with us never develop a connection.
Our guild is made up of people who have played together for a very long time. We are a friendly group of very chilled-out and casual players, and we love it when new people join us, but I absolutely believe that it can and does come off as a clique to someone new if they only view our dynamic through green chat text. But…every single time the new guy gets on Discord with us and actually lets us get to know him/her, they meld in like they’ve always been here. We have some people with us who only joined us in SL, and I forget sometimes that they haven’t been with us from the beginning.
Talking - actual communication via voice chat - is crucial in our guild, so I figure that’s probably true in other guilds, too. People who join and only get on Discord after they’ve been invited to the group, the ones who listen but never speak unless it’s about the content, and then leave Discord directly after the group is done…they never seem to get folded in. We’ve had two more recently that this happened with. They played with us for a while, but there was very little interaction on comms, and we never knew how the person felt, what they needed from us, or if they even wanted us to be involved.
There is this tension when a guild gets a new member amongst the officers about how much is too much. If we start piling on with gchat greetings and group offers every time they log in - even after it’s been made clear they don’t intend to voluntarily join us in Discord - are they going to be uncomfortable? If they don’t want to get on comms with us, is it because they feel left out and are upset or is it because they want to go solo dungeons and be left alone? Trying to figure that out with someone who refuses to reciprocate communication is impossible.
So I second Argus, even though she’s a space goat (/grin). When you join a new guild, get in Discord. Speak. Join the conversation. Make jokes. Let the guild know you. Try to find out why these people like each other and let them learn to like you, too. That’s really all there is. You have to allow people to connect with you. /shrug
If that doesn’t work, then it’s either a personality clash or they’re just not the kind of people who can play well with anyone outside of their group. That’s not good, either, and I’m sorry that it happens so often. I know that it does, and it’s awful.
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That is an amazing guild name. /fist bump
Ive been on the other side a lot and most of the time the new member doesn’t do any reaching out or speaking up. Not even things like directly asking us but just being around the discord during activities that are open to all guild members.
And yknow maybe you dont fit in but at least you can try and find out.
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One thing I’ve noticed, is often the folks who won’t speak up in Discord or G chat, usually can be found being VERY vocal in trade chat.
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I did a deep dive about 10 months ago in guild finder, and joined/left several of them before settling in. There are some great guilds out there, currently belong to three of them that all have their own strengths.
First guild: stable and reliable GM who’s been running it a while. Been in this guild since DF on an alt or two. Steady influx of new players, and while not super social in guild chat, that feeling of stability runs through it. Does the whole ‘normal raid, everyone welcome’ thing, then some hero progression, which I think is the bedrock of a lot of stable guilds. (I never go but like that it’s there, tells me it’s a good guild.)
Left this guild on my warlock to ‘experiment’ elsewhere, came back within 72 hours, shivering on the doorstep, saying 'please let me back in" and they did with zero drama, and was very grateful. Cool dudes.
Second guild seems to be mainly a mythic raiding guild, I don’t even know how I got in lol. They are very friendly which I appreciate, with zero attitude about being mythic raiders. Wish guild chat was a little more active, but I get it. When the GM does jump in, he’s always got that friendly attitude.
Third guild is a brand new one with a firecracker of a GM, brimming with enthusiasm and activity, The guild feels a bit like a powder keg that could go off anytime lol. Along for the fun ride until it expodes.
So OP keep looking. 
It was actually a fun experience to go through that process (I have some horror stories too, I skipped those.)
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Just copying this line out to say how important it is that people do exactly what you did. shop around, put the work into finding the guild that is right for them. Just because someone has a guild and sends an invite doesn’t mean that it’s going to be a good fit!
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This is part of the reason we do interviews either with myself or an officer, which nobody seems to want to do…
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Its a list of names… its rare for a guild to be tight with all its members. Its why you have a friends list.
A good guild is akin to a good business arrangement. Its why the best usually rely entirely on self reliant members
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I think this is a real issue for guilds that only have one raid team.
Our guild, Zeroes to Heroes, has numerous raid teams that run throughout the week, some AOTC, others CE progression. We also have open normal runs on Sunday afternoon and open heroic on Sunday night, with only a minimum iLvl requirement. They are very successful and give people a way to raid should they be unable or unwilling to join a dedicated team, and you can come and go as you like/need.
Even in a true community guild like ours, “cliques” unfortunately still exist, especially when it comes to Mythic Plus. Some are far worse than others, as you’ve pointed out.
Beware guilds that spam recruitment, they’ll have 900 members but only 17 on at peak hours. I fell victim to that over the years.
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guilds like this aren’t worth joining. It’s sad that so many people fall prey to them.
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I absolutely hated my very brief time with zero to heros… I find cluster guilds parasitic by nature.
They have one usually weak raid team and a bunch of heroic level players. I would never recommend a community style guild to aspiring mythic players.
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hell yea someone has to keep the greeting card landfills in business
funds guild repairs
mystery solved for you
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But the majority of players are not aspiring mythic players. The thread is about being a nobody who joins a guild and can’t find anybody online who is willing or able to help them run dungeons.
I would still recommend steering clear of mega guilds. Ive never had a pleasant experience there. Better finding a proper team
Im in a guild that I only use gchat to complain about the game. No need for more wow can be played 100% solo and its amazing
I have been in several guilds like this. A couple of guilds were only after numbers. The GLs wanted high member numbers. They had their little clicks that played together, the rest of us were just there to put mats in their guild bank for them so they could have raid flasks, food and pots.
I signed a charter for a guy and a couple of his friends to start a guild once. Usually, I will leave after the guild is formed but they were cool and asked me to stay. Guild lasted 3 days. On the 3rd day, the guild message of the day said that the GL had contracted Covid and didn’t know when he would be playing again. Asked that members start putting mats in the guild bank to help out other members. They never logged back on. Stayed in the guild for 2 weeks, then left.
Last guild I was in was the guild that drove the nail in the Guild Coffin for me. They were nice in the beginning, but as time progressed, they turned into ice cubes, only talking to members of the clique. They ignored everyone else.
I have a guild of just my alts, and I guess that is how it is gonna be from now on. This way, I don’t have concern myself with being ignored, because there is no one there but me.
that is such a BS response, like “do you think I would still be here if I was so mad that I didn’t want to raid anymore?!”
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I craft as a hobby and I often use old cards for things like decoupage and scrapbooking, assuming the artwork on the cards is useable. With the emergence of AI and its datamining, about the only thing I know for sure is real, is the craft I produce with my hands.
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