Interesting, I don’t see any counter points there. I just see, “I don’t want there to be Guild banks and this is why” and treating it like the Word of God. Alas, even the Word of Blizz, as quoted by you earlier, isn’t infallible and has been proven to included changes. Shocking.
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Saying why and giving multiple points is the argument. You ever make an argument to support what you believe? What do you want me to do? Just say I don’t want guild banks? Nice logic there.
I said I don’t want guild banks and gave supporting arguments both my own and from what others have said. An argument isn’t won just by saying ‘I WANT’. Pro Changes may think ‘I want’ is valid enough but for people which Vanilla WoW is a second home to, that isn’t enough and will never be.
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You act as if the onus of proof is on the side of people who want to maintain the integrity and authenticity of Classic. Actually the reverse is the case. And as Ion said, they don’t want to interfere with the social dynamic of Classic.
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He isnt insinuating that at all.
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It’s more logical, and honest, than everything else you’ve been saying.
Way to stack the language to make it sound like you’re defending the “honor” of Vanilla from the attacks of others. You’re not a hero because you don’t want Guild Banks.
Also, there is no “onus of proof” for either side, because it’s a discussion. Or I guess you can just ignore the points raised by the pro-change crowd because it doesn’t fit your narrative so you blatantly disregard it. There is such a thing as arguing in good faith. This thread is not that.
It doesn’t matter what Blizz has said, no matter how many times people quote it, because they’ve already added changes in. They’ve already altered the social dynamic. I’m sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative, but thems the breaks.
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So you want me to just state what I want so you can easily dismiss it with an argument. Sounds like you want to switch roles.
Whole time everyone who wants guild banks says " I want guild banks". No changes so no and gives 1000 reasons why but pro changes says again " but I want"
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FTFY
Also yeah, the discussion is pretty pointless at this juncture because you have the same 2 or 3 people on each side going back and forth… so why did you make this thread again?
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To have the beginning post start with anti guild bank instead of pro changes crying about " I want guild banks". There is a lot more than 1 reason why and if you read anything in the first post youd know that but you didn’t. You didn’t come here for a conversation and only see it your way. There is no point in responding to you or Padrepwn or Whiskee because non of you three actually say anything other than “I want”, “you only have one reason”, " the only reason why you don’t want guild banks is so you can steal from guilds and make gold".
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That can not be denied or disputed. It was not in Vanilla.
There I said it again.
I went through and meticulously answered every single point you posted.
Every single one of them read with an unbiased eye can see they are indeed countered.
Your lack of logucal counter points to my logical rebuttals of your points only strengthens this notion that indeed the only one that can’t be refuted is: It wasn’t in Vanilla.
On the contrary I’ve listened to exactly what they have said and watched as they said they were going against what they said but dont worry because they said it won’t affect the "Classic Experience.
So not to worry if the add guild banks they will say it doesn’t affect core “Classic Experience” just like when they justified the other things being added.
Or because the ones doing that agree with it or blizz has been quietly taking care of that issue? Idk
Don’t care either way. Neither likes nor mass flagging tell the whole community opinion nor represent the whole community because the forums are a small representation of the community as is.
Not a great one either when you have abuse of systems, mob rule, and general crap posting to influence discussion.
None at all. I think the medical field is very important.
Yes I am a very adaptive creature. You accuse me of doing something I don’t do and insult me?
You get the same in return quite cleverly I might add too because you still have not countered a single counter point I’ve made.
So either you don’t know how discussion works or you wanted some attention and just a plain old fashioned argument or logically you know you can’t refute my logical.
Seeing how you ignored everyone of them and went right for insults I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re made because logically you can’t refute them so you got mad.
Enter Sandman plays in the background as Padrepwn makes his entrance
Now whatcha wanna do argue or discuss?
The floor is yours awaiting counter points…
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The lack of intervention is enough actually. That means they are going with the standard Blizzard forum policy.
Blue’s don’t comment as they don’t want to derail the discussion to be about the blue post instead of the topic. Bring out your points, counter points, and let the discussion roll. They could be listening.
That or that don’t give 2 shirts about the topic and have it on ignore.
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It means nothing. Especially when you can log into an alt and like your own posts
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1like an hour isn’t indicative of anything lol. Some posts get 11 likes in 5 minutes
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I went through and meticulously answered every single point you posted.
Every single one of them read with an unbiased eye can see they are indeed countered.
Your lack of logucal counter points to my logical rebuttals of your points only strengthens this notion that indeed the only one that can’t be refuted is: It wasn’t in Vanilla.
Go read first post again, There is more than “it wasn’t in Vanilla”
On the contrary I’ve listened to exactly what they have said and watched as they said they were going against what they said but dont worry because they said it won’t affect the "Classic Experience .
So not to worry if the add guild banks they will say it doesn’t affect core “Classic Experience ” just like when they justified the other things being added.
Mailing system they explained they were reverting it to Vanilla ways because the new system isn’t authentic Vanilla feeling. Why would they put guild banks in, a system that also removes player interaction?
Or because the ones doing that agree with it or blizz has been quietly taking care of that issue? Idk
Don’t care either way. Neither likes nor mass flagging tell the whole community opinion nor represent the whole community because the forums are a small representation of the community as is.
Not a great one either when you have abuse of systems, mob rule, and general crap posting to influence discussion.
In this case no likes and flagging don’t tell everything because the forums aren’t being used as much since there has been no news for months.
None at all. I think the medical field is very important.
Yes I am a very adaptive creature. You accuse me of doing something I don’t do and insult me?
You get the same in return quite cleverly I might add too because you still have not countered a single counter point I’ve made.
So either you don’t know how discussion works or you wanted some attention and just a plain old fashioned argument or logically you know you can’t refute my logical.
Seeing how you ignored everyone of them and went right for insults I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re made because logically you can’t refute them so you got mad.Enter Sandman plays in the background as Padrepwn makes his entrance
Now whatcha wanna do argue or discuss?
The floor is yours awaiting counter points…
You clearly stated you don’t think I fit the role. “At least you hopefully won’t need debate skills…comprehesion though. Yikes!” Either way I don’t care what you say. I know how many people iv saved from death and or serious injury. Have you saved anyone from death?
As for refuting your logic… You aren’t accepting what im saying so there is no convincing you. If it hasn’t been obvious enough, I haven’t been taking anything you say seriously because you clearly don’t care enough about restoring the game to what it was. Something we don’t have anymore and we could be getting back this summer, you want to change and turn into a Vanilla/TBC monstrosity. Why would I consider your view points anymore after you so clearly have not considered anyone elses?
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Guild banks don’t go against the design of vanilla, they actually corrospond with it very well, they just were not in vanilla, but fit perfectly with the design goals of vanilla.
However this is a spam thread as there is already a thread on this topic that’s 900+ posts in due to no thread caps and the OP made this one specifically to make an echo chamber against guild banks. I’ve marked it as spam and will continue to discuss this topic in the 900+ posts thread about guild banks.
He is well aware this is spam because he was posting in the other one.
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Quote the rest next time instead of taking it out of context. If you read the whole thing, youd see its about timeframe and not the number being high or low.
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Through everything you just posted you did not refute one of my counters to your original posted points.
We’re done here.
You “win” 2 internets. ![:trophy:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/trophy.png?v=6" ":trophy:")
Eye of the Tiger starts playing
Padre walks out head held high knowing he won the debate but lost the internet argument
Ah well better luck next time champ…
Padre out! ![:peace_symbol:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/peace_symbol.png?v=6" ":peace_symbol:")
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Looks like because I refuted everything you said you cant respond and are leaving. Typical.
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Because that increase in tickets had nothing to due with a bug in the permissions settings, nope, no sir re, that wasn’t the cause at all!
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How is that any different than pro guild abnk advocates starting new threads because “all their arguments got shot down”?
As has been noted in another guild bank thread, each and every “pro” for guild banks has a corresponding “con”, even if some of those who desire the convenience of guild banks wish to ignore, dismiss, pooh pooh or hand wave those “cons” away.
With one notable and extremely important exception, each “con” has a corresponding “pro”, even if some of those against guild banks wish to ignore, dismiss, pooh pooh or hand wave those “pros” away.
The one and only “argument” for or against guild banks that CANNOT be “countered” is that guild banks were NEVER part of vanilla and adding guild banks would not be as close to vanilla as orcishly possible.
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I addressed the timeframe- 11 likes in 11 hours. That’s NOTHING on these boards
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