Do we have proof that it increased GM tickets?
Though either way given the reasoning behind why Blizzard has implemented the few changes they have then I could see them considering guild banks, even if I don’t want them.
Do we have proof that it increased GM tickets?
Though either way given the reasoning behind why Blizzard has implemented the few changes they have then I could see them considering guild banks, even if I don’t want them.
wow. people still on this crap. i guess bravo for the sticktoitiveness .
weve heard both sides to this garbage over and over.
blizzard will decide on this. this crap topic needs to die in a fire of hellish proportions .
Why would players not rather hold Blizzard to a higher standard, and make them accountable for what they say and the promises they make? I think some posters need to set their ego and personal desires aside
What higher standard? The “higher standard” of no changes to classic?
That is not a standard I care about because while we can probably find a lot of things we both value in classic, there are clearly changes that I want as desperately as you don’t.
Why is this about my ego? It is about how I would like to play the game. You assume that it’s a great big world of no-changers against a few of us “selfish” players who advocate for changes, but I am willing to bet that the no-change community who posts here and on reddit or wherever are the vocal minority.
It is hard for me to not resort to personal insults right now like using inflammatory language like yours… “set aside ego.”
I agree to disagree. You think you have the right of the arguments and I think I do. I am willing to let it stay there while I continue to advocate my positions on things I think are important.
Speaking of trying to use emotion and fearmongering, here is a perfect example:
I think I’m going to run some grifts.
So you editing a post made 2 hours a go linking a post talking about a poster’s forum cred and lack of countering argument to points i made is fear mongering? LOL
Ok. At least it’s not copypasta.
You and that OP have so much in common I swear you two have to be related…
I can almost see quotation marks being removed after a proof read from that thread. LOL
I made that post 44 mins ago. What exactly are you trying to do editing 2 hours later? LOL
I do find it hypocritical,
Yes blizz saying “We don’t want to use modern solutions to Vanilla problems and then bnet, 7.3 modern infrastructure, loot sharing, and possible sharding”.
All modern solutions to Vanilla problems.
Correct that is hypocritical and now hopefully you see why we are laughing at those posting: But Blizz said…
I do find it hypocritical, though, that many of those who advocate for guild banks want to claim that the slippery slope is a fallacy and then turn around and bring up loot sharing and sharding as a justification
I’ve missed the legit serious posts that say “add guild banks because you’ve added these other changes”.
I have seen a few of us point out how flawed the reasoning is behind Blizz said while those obvious changes are staring them in the face and I’ve even seen it argued that no changes isn’t happening because that ship sailed.
No one is seriously saying add this because you added those.
Speaking if hypocrisy though. I found it quite hypocritical when sharding was announced and all of a sudden some changed their “no changes tune” to “Oh wow launch won’t be so bad with sharding” LOL.
Then there is at least one pro guild bank advocate who claims that the slippery slope doesn’t exist, but keeps adding to his list of desired non vanilla QOL convenience changes and uses guild banks as justification for those additional non vanilla QOL convenience changes, despite the fact that guild banks have not even been added yet
Oh this sounds…never mind. Not my problem. Nor does it have anything to do with guild bank discussion.
It seems that what they REALLY mean is that “the slippery slope doesn’t exist for changes I don’t want, but a single change can be used as justification for other changes I want.”
It would seem you’re stretching this quite a bit to support your view.
Carry on though. /shrug
Edit:Oh I see what you were getting at Ratsy my boy!
You were saying I was fear mongering because I called into question OP’s "forum identity.
Fair enough. I can see that as being like that.
However. How do we know whi each other is who we say we are?
We have literally an endless supply of forum avatars at our disposal.
All you have to do is delete and reroll to level 10 and you have a new forum avatar.
So I’m not so sure that is fear mongering as much as it is fact.
Can’t believe you guys flagged this post.
Must be because of how bad OP made the no change movement look. LOL
Look more fear mongering…or is it fact?
You decide but blizz has a good idea if which it is…
Seeing the OP flagged and hidden just goes to show people are abusing the flag system. It is not meant as a downvote tool. You people would do well to refer to this Blue post:
Hi all – We have seen some people excessively using the flagging feature as a way to get thread automatically locked or simply as a way to show their disapproval for it. The auto-lock is only meant as a stop-gap measure for negative discussions while our moderation team reviews the situation. If anybody is found to be intentionally abusing the flagging feature, their account may be subject to a suspension. To be absolutely clear: the flagging feature is not the same as a downvote. The flagging…
Seeing the OP flagged and hidden just goes to show people are abusing the flag system.
This isn’t the first post this has been done too.
They flagged a senior citizen post who got cutting edge a short while back.
Yea. It’s that bad.
This is why blizz needs to fix the communication tool before they can expect real feedback and solid communication.
Having multiple avatars does nothing but hinder communication with white noise and allow trolls to skin change at their choosing.
The very system allows the abuse.
There is no reason every avatar should have it’s own rep levels and number of likes and flags to be used.
It’s inviting this type if behavior.
A post acknowledging that we have people abusing this system and finally some blizz communucation… in a locked thread about abusing the flagging system as a downvote.
LOL
Blizz:We are bad at communucation.
Your whole system is set up to work against you and you allow it to happen.
It’s one of the reasons you’re bad at it.
The player base sux at communucation too.
All this useless white noise by alts that come and go but blizz is still bad at communication…
Good god man. Scrap the system and start over…again.
Without the loop holes for so much abuse.
It won’t take much.
2.Rep levels, like caps, and flag caps, post counts and all forum stats are account wide.
3.Profit from trolls being gone. More players wanting to give solid feedback and possibly some feeling of forum communuty.
You’re welcome Blizz.
I think the lack of an Ignore function is partly to blame for the abuse of the Flag system. If people could simply ignore a poster, perhaps they wouldn’t feel the need to unnecessarily flag posts.
Seeing the OP flagged and hidden just goes to show people are abusing the flag system.
The post is a violation of the coc. It should be flagged
I submitted a ticket to blizzard to review my post after it had been flagged. Hopefully they will see it isn’t trolling and remove the flag.
I submitted a ticket to blizzard to review my post after it had been flagged. Hopefully they will see it isn’t trolling and remove the flag.
I hope it gets unflagged.
I submitted a ticket to blizzard to review my post after it had been flagged. Hopefully they will see it isn’t trolling and remove the flag.
while it isn’t trolling per say, it is spam, there was already a very active guild bank thread which YOU were a part of before YOU made this thread.
I reported it for what it was, spam. which according to the CoC, it is.
the issue isn’t that you made this topic, its that you made this topic in full knowledge that the topic was already being discussed in the guild bank pt 14 thread.
proof of you knowingly doing this is that you were posting in that thread before you made this one.
the only form of trolling in the creation of this thread was trying to lie about a conclusion being made that guild banks wont be in classic. that’s not your decision to make and have no true evidence to that conclusion.
so this thread is spam. which is what I reported it as because you knowingly made this thread while you were active in the other guild bank thread.
To have the beginning post start with anti guild bank instead of pro changes crying about " I want guild banks".
Oh, so just to further your agenda while attempting to shut down discussion? Doesn’t sound much like a “good faith” argument to me.
There is no point in responding to you or Padrepwn or Whiskee because non of you three actually say anything other than “I want”, “you only have one reason”, " the only reason why you don’t want guild banks is so you can steal from guilds and make gold".
I don’t know if you’ve actually read any of my posts, but I’m not particularly all that interested in guild banks. Before having a knee-jerk reaction about my stance (which I have stated that I don’t feel strongly about either way in this thread) maybe you should actually read and comprehend the discussion going on? Instead of flailing about and screaming “NO CHANGES” because that’s what you want, only using as proof a point that is already known to be false?
Another prochanger ignoring concepts. Typical. Go back to playing Battle for Mobile Gaming.
And here it is, folks. Don’t agree and you’re “typical”, dismissed and ignored. Classic garbage internet tough guy forum method right here.
Saying “I want this to happen” is an opinion, saying “these are reasons this should happen” is a debate. And “this” can refer to making a change or not making a change.
Hey, this is someone who understands how to actually converse. Kudos.
Seeing the OP flagged and hidden just goes to show people are abusing the flag system.
No it’s not. There is already a thread about this and the OP wanted to shift the paradigm to their stance instead of having a discussion in good faith. That’s spamming and arguably trollish.
Ok, as opposed to 700 different sharding threads. I’m sure you flagged all those. Oh wait, they were about something you support, so obviously not. You can dress it up all you want, but you’re trying to silence an opinion you disagree with.
But of course no one is actually refuting the OP, just criticizing the merit of the thread. That speaks volumes itself.
Looks like the community managers unflagged the post. Said “I am fairly certain an ostrich got loose and pecked at someone’s keyboard or something.”
Looks like it was the ostriches all along.
Frankly, I question the motives of posters who come out and say they’re encouraging Blizzard to head down the slippery slope, which is something Ion said they want to avoid.
Ion never said this, but you don’t care about facts.
Ok, as opposed to 700 different sharding threads. I’m sure you flagged all those. Oh wait, they were about something you support, so obviously not. You can dress it up all you want, but you’re trying to silence an opinion you disagree with.
But of course no one is actually refuting the OP, just criticizing the merit of the thread. That speaks volumes itself.
Oh, there’s plenty of refuting the OP points, as for the sharding threads, here’s a key factor that makes the OP making this thread spamming.
He was actively participating in the other guild bank thread, which at the time had a been very active and thus posting in it would not have been able to any means been a necro because that thread was very active.
So the OP of this thread made a separate thread to make the Original post meet his agenda while he had been active in the previous thread. Sounds like spamming with a hint of trolling to me because he INTENTIONALLY made a new thread when he was well aware of an already existing thread about the same topic. All because he wanted to try and set the mood of the thread by having the OP have anti guild bank wording to make it sound like the discussion of adding guild banks had been defeated, which it hasn’t. Because it’s a DISCUSSION. But he wants to turn it into a “I’m right your wrong” argument with 0 facts.
That’s like telling your math teacher 2+2=22 instead of 4. Which is what 2+2 mathematically equals. And then tried to scream “I’m right your wrong, lalalalala” with his fingers in his ears to fool himself into believing he is right.
Facts have been given as to why guild banks are a better system than guild bank alts.
They have tried to counter these facts by giving examples that are either outright jokes, or arguing it changes a core aspect of vanilla, which it either doesn’t, or was never a core aspect of the game to begin with.
Let me ask you this, do you think inventory management for non soulbound items was a core aspect of the vanilla game design when in town (guild banks are not in the open world) knowing that people used bank alts and the mail system to ignore said “core gameplay mechanic” and could even get 400+ inventory slots through the mail system without ever having to use an alts actual inventory room?
I would say this: I’m not opposed to a dialogue. However, I am opposed to a dialogue with anybody who refuses to even consider anything but their own point of view which is something both sides are guilty of.
Exactly this^^. Unless both parties actually honestly come into the conversation believing there is a chance that they could change their own mind, even a tiny bit, based on the other person’s point of view, it’s not actually dialogue or discourse. But that’s not what the interwebs are for. These forums are for rage typing into the void about how wrong the other person is and how bad a job their mothers did raising them.
Unflagging it doesn’t change the fact it’s spam used to propagandize the discussion toward your agenda.