The issue is: Look at the level that Hitoame plays at. 3600+ is an entirely different game. And even in the opening post, they are talking about the top ranks. For a lot of people (like me) that’s usually a kind of distant call to “the meta”. But Hitoame is actually playing close to that level, and at the level bears actually do have a harder time surviving and completing keys.
Which essentially boils down to, “I’m not meta, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa”
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There are people with 1200, 2200 and 3200 io posting absolute asinine 'hot takes" about Guardian that is 99% hyperbole. Are Guardians the META? Absolutely not but the sky is in fact not falling. I am an Average to Above Average Bear and I understand what my limitations are. Tank Balance is the best that it has ever been in the history of this game but always keep in mind that not every class and spec are created equal. It would be impossible for them to find a balance for every class and spec in the game. People that enjoy playing a certain class and spec can do so but they just might have to face that they are currently not equipped to do the content that is above their design. Shadow Priests in AOE situations say hello. Everyone wants buffs to their classes or nerfs to other classes but usually those buff/nerf requests are not thought out thoroughly.
Here is a HOT TAKE for the meta worshipers. The lack of Uhr this season is going to separate the real Blood DK’s from the “I need to reroll to play the game” Blood DK’s. They will roll Pally, Brew or Prot Warrior and scream for buff’s for those classes.
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Soo you pick gambit…
One of the highest density dungeons in this expac…
While also using venthyr which increases its dmg during those large aoe pull moments.
Not an actual good example there buddy.
Im also wanting a proper aoe spender too actually make the aoe gameplay of bear more then pressing swipe and thrash, which is all it is right now.
Giving maul a bleed effect along with some way to spread that bleed would give us a reason to actually use maul in more then just 1 situation.
Pappa always said it’s better to remain quiet rather than speak and remove any doubt about one’s intelligence.
The issue isn’t with wanting perfect balance or needing to be meta. I actually main resto and —despite the healer spot in m+ being locked down more tightly by priest/sham than dps slot or tank slots are locked down— I don’t think resto druid is in a bad spot. I’m not calling for resto druid help. It’s not meta, but it’s okay and the lack or changes for it is perfectly consistent with the lack of and healer changes in the patch. No issues here.
The reason I take issue with the treatment of guardian is that both prot paladin and prot warrior received buffs to help them up, yet guardian received nothing despite being in a worse spot.
There will always be a “last place”. That’s okay. What’s not okay is buffing 3rd and 4th place but laughing at 5th.
Edit, to give a little context:
5 guardian druids in the world got the r1 title for s3. And all of them were in the NA region with the lower cutoff. If they were in the EU only one would be getting it.
I realize the r1 title sounds like it’s at the peak of meta performance and if you want the title you need to be prepared to reroll to a meta spec. But it really shouldn’t be (and in most cases, isn’t) necessary for that level of key.
Now this isn’t to say there wouldn’t have been more if BDK wasn’t so strong that many players probably rerolled to it, but rather to say if there is such an imbalance and the top end of tanks isn’t being brought down, then guardian should be brought up with prot warrior and paladin.
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Who gives a frick about meta? Play Guardian my dude
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I can pick your fight if that makes you happy.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MvzjAcGPm7aLDXHQ#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=354
Literally, what?!
Sit down.
You just described galactic guardian.
A strong dot that’s passively spread by All attacks. ( not just maul)
….And it’s getting MASSIVE buffs in DF.
Basically everything youre asking for, it already exists.
Why are you hellbent on forcing bears to use rage on aoe attacks when most talents/spells are designed around generating rage from aoe attacks. It’s counterintuitive, and quite frankly…. Stupid.
All that tells me is that 5 Guardian Druids chose to play that class at a high level while other players chose to play other classes at a high level. You are not making your point that Tank A is better than Tank B. Yes usually players want to take the path of least resistance but the numbers that you are leaning on don’t back it up. Now if you said that the same 100 players played 100 Games on each Tank class and each player received a score of 1-10 on their run and the results were BDK’s 75 Prot Pally 20 and Guardian’s 5 you might be on to something.
Look, even if Guardian druid received buffs, there is likely little chance it would have made a damn bit of difference at the top end of keys, none. Those guys would play whatever is best regardless and the only way that would be Guardian druid at this point is if the toolkit got a rework, which we won’t see at this point in SL.
It doesnt seem like the toolkit will be changed enough for DF or any actual mechanics being implemented into guardian gameplay either…well lazerbear can be fun, but not sure its enough.
Outside of Evoker, they did say not to expect any class reworks for DF, so that assessment seems to align with what they’ve already committed to not doing.