Pugs will still be able to use the system. It’s not guild exclusive
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Oh, that’s not good. So I did read correctly… then it’s not a good thing. Lol.
It’s not confirmed guild exclusive. I’d be very surprised if it wasn’t though.
Yeah things are subject to change of course. We’ll see.
Imho, personal loot is fine. If they would just increase gear drops I wouldn’t mind ML never coming back. But we should also be able to trade whatever we want.
I agree, I don’t think anything should be ilvl restricted and you should be able to trade those items to others if you have better. I also believe PL is the fairest solution to looting gear. Random and dispassionate, just like Thanos said.
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In any coordinated group, PL with no trading restriction is just ML with more steps.
Which personally I’d be fine with.
I mean it’s not so much subject to change as it hasn’t even been officially revealed. In the interview, Ion basically said “yeah, we’re doing it but we haven’t figured out what to do with stuff like bows or warglaives”.
I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be guild-group exclusive though. I don’t think ML/GL abuse is a majorly pressing issue, just look at Classic’s raid scene which is doing more than fine.
But I think group loot in raids requires a bit more trust than people would be willing to have for a x-realm pug group.
His exact words were “our current plan is to have raid bosses in Dragonflight work that way”.
I take that as it’ll be usable by everyone. Not just guild groups because they aren’t cross faction yet. What happens if your friend is on the opposite faction?
And I agree with you here. I get that this system doesn’t really work in a completely random pug but my original point still stands.
I might be misunderstanding what you’ve said here but I think we should be able to trade anything even if we don’t have better.
This is a good point my 2:30 am brain didn’t think about - if this is locked to guild groups only, that’s a significant problem for those of us who have cross-faction raiders.
they’re technically no longer in guild.
ugh. now I’m concerned, because I don’t think it’s safe to assume blizzard considered that, considering how disastrously awful their cross faction implementation has been for guilds.
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I mean removing the ilvl lock would allow that, but I think it should be up to the player receiving the item at random, not the RL or loot council or whatever people call it.
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I don’t know if you watched the interview in which Ion talked aobut this (or maybe it was an article, idr)
personal loot no trading is deterministic loot (ie only drops loot for classes in the raid)
group loot is not deterministic, but with trading - so even though you can trade loot, you could get an item that no one could use (ie, an agi trinket with no agi users in raid)
what they don’t want to give us is freely trade-able deterministic loot, and that’s why they’re not giving us tradeable personal loot (which I agree would be the best scenario all around)
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That’s not the point they’re making. The point they’re making is that if you join a guild, and someone does something you do not care for, especially the GM, then you leave.
Acting like that person is expecting you to read minds is disingenuous and outright silly. The point they had been making was obvious.
And it’s true. So many people come here and complain about corrupt GM’s and all of that, but the thing of it is, none of them take responsibility and actually leave either. The people who leave corrupt situations with a GM who is less than fair don’t come here to complain about it because they already handled the situation and found a better guild.
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If I’m being honest… why would we EVER want gear we can’t use, that would make group loot even worse? That doesn’t make sense… that makes PL w/ trade the only logical loot system. So we agree lol.
Yeah…like I said, we really only needed more gear drops lmfao
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This exact reason is why I disagree with x-faction guilds not being a higher priority.
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It’s nothing like master looter.
We were able to trade loot freely for 14 years, it wasn’t master looter, still isn’t.
I can only assume that you didn’t play the game prior to the other loot systems being removed?
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Honestly, I kinda like that group loot is coming back. It seems like standard need vs greed system like in many other MMOs, and I am fine with that. On top of that, it seems to be getting rid of my biggest pet peeve of personal loot. I hated that in the first few weeks you might be able to get a piece that is absolute garbage for you, but you couldn’t trade it because it was a higher ilvl.
If anything, being able to trade loot freely will prolly help my raid team gear faster.
Yes, it is. In coordinated groups, this is essentially master looter with one extra step. Blizzard did something pretty clever here imho.
For totally random pugs, you’re right. It’s not ML. My first post was vague and I apologize for that.
This has nothing to do with master/group loot and everything to do with Blizzard putting an ilvl restriction on loot trading.
So you are saying people should get locked with gear they don’t need/want when a friend would actually benefit from it?
That is what the current system does, especially with legendary slots not contributing to unlocking ilvl trading.
Group loot isn’t subject to the same abuse as master looter has the potential for, because regardless of the situation you can always make a roll for the item if you feel like the system isn’t being used fairly.
If you win that item it is then yours, no one can take that away from you.
No not at all. I think PL without trading restrictions would be the best system. We don’t need group loot or master looter at all lmao. But Blizzard has made it very clear that they do not want that.
I agree. Group loot is not as…hardcore as ML is. But again, this definitely is still ML with 1 extra step. But that applies to guilds/coordinated groups only.
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