Just because your a “solo player” doesn’t mean you can’t still do SOME group content.
jfc you people make your own problems, I consider myself a “solo player”, but I still pug mythic+ and pug raids with the lfg tool.
Just seems stupid that you are basically saying you refuse to actually play the game, but you still wants to rewards for what it basically doing nothing.
Why does a solo player who only does world quests even need better gear, for what’s the point?
Well it is a MMO right? Things build on top of each other, or share things between one another. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, honestly. I’ve noticed not just in wow, but in the US as a whole people are so unwilling to interact with each other, i honestly think it’s a problem transcending the game.
While i understand some might not feel able to do group content, that is a big part of MMOs. Also gear is a big part of MMOs “power” so to speak. So you can’t have one without the other respectfully.
at what point do you just say ok, outside of story and some solo content is this game not for me? i think its healthy to say ok, i might not be a wow player any more let me look for some story based RPGs that ill actually be happy with.
Nah thats too easy so vault
Eh, I’d say it’s important for an MMO to have a wide variety available. There’s only so much instanced content some people can handle, and aside from the people who don’t like it at all, I feel like good solo content is also useful for some people as a break from dungeons and raids. And as they’ve shown with the Chromie scenario they can set things up so they can make a challenge a challenge for everyone without it being trivialized at one end and harder than intended at the other.
I don’t think the solo stuff needs to necessarily match other things (although I feel like they could make solo content that is as challenging as raid content, other than the people wrangling side.) I just think something like Torghast could have been a decent option for people who wanted their own thing by not making it a necessary part for end game progression, and let it be self contained so that if you wanted to make that your goal you could gear up for Torghast within Torghast.
How you play a game doesn’t mean it’s how it’s “meant” to be played or how everyone wants to play it.
Solo players are perfectly legitimate.
This is still a game at its core, and games, even multiplayer games, are there to pass time and give you fun.
thats fine, up the rep needed. 9000 for 1st etc
Considering you have to kill bosses in group content for vault it would have to be the same for solo players … to kill bosses in a solo environment
then change the reward, you’re looking to literally at what im saying. it doesnt have to be exactly this or that, just a system for them to open the vault on their own
I mean you already can get 376+ gear from world events lol every week … thats higher than mythic 0 … crafted gear can go to 400+ like what can solo players want more
then give them 378. Im not trying to make this complicated for you. use your imagination and fill in the blank of what IL you wouldnt whine about being in there
Max level solo gear this expansion is completely deterministic, so one of the objectives of the vault is redundant.
I find it rich that player mindlessly cling to the idea that solo in a mmo is bad. Ffxiv built trust and are going back and putting them in old dungeons because they realize sometimes solo needs to be a option. I suffer from severe anxiety and the first dungeon i went in to this expac i was kicked for say i was new to the dungeon.
Solo progression frankly should never match higher end content because the reward should be equal to the time and effort put in, but the idea of solo great vault rewards seems like a fair deal.
Just remember that just because it not the way you choose to play doesn’t mean they should be treated any differently. They are paying customers just like the mythic runner and the raiders. The community is diverse and forcing content shouldn’t happen.
If they do this, I feel this will be perfect for solo players! Only concern is that the ilvl should be higher than what you can get in a heroic raid. Otherwise it’s not fair. I want to farm meats and cheeses with the best gear possible for my terrible spec.
The game is absolutely meant to be played with other people, especially when it comes to progression.
From the very beginning, literally day one, if you wanted to progress your character at endgame, the best rewards always came from group content because the game is designed in a way to incentivize group play.
Whether you partake in that group content is your call to make, but saying that there are no avenues for progression as a solo player just isn’t true. This is the best state that solo play has ever been in.
If you want to increase your item level further you’re going to have to step into group content like every other population
Visions worked fine. I felt like the challenge was good enough for you to progress in there by yourself. Just learning the mechanics, fights and so on. My only problem with visions back then was farming the keys every week but that was a small price to pay.
I have no idea why they didn’t put gear in choreghast. I felt like choregast was worse in every regard compared to visions.
You can also just pay for +16 carries and spam craft 418 gear with BiS stats in a month when sparks are no longer hard gated. 
Imagine the first 4 mythic raid bosses being invalidated by just spamming 16’s lol but yeah lets complain about solo players wanting meaningful loot.
solo play detracts from group play potential…
our group play systems are hanging over
the grand-canyon by a bungee-thread as it
is…
removing the tank/healer paradigm could be the
solution to a lot of population-related system
issues.
but they’re a very proud group, our developers.
Sure can, but that’s called group play, not solo play. Doesn’t really apply.
Seems like solo players have nothing to complain about then.
If you want meaningful loot do meaningful content.
I would hardly call 16’s meaningful content but you do you.
More meaningful than world quests.