This.
TBC class imbalance is hilariously dumb, but it’s PVE is absolutely stellar for it’s time and what most of my PVP friends actually came back for.
RP is why I have characters on both factions. Horde outlands stories are more interesting to me. Tribal RP is interesting to me. Some of the races are more appealing as well. Not all of us play the game to min max. One size does not fit all.
1/10… trying to hard dude. Less is more. Write that down.
Not sure why people don’t see this. Alliance could use more players. When subs start dropping off, we’ll need that fresh blood.
Or just don’t bother with PvP unless its Arena. 95% of PvP in this game is awful.
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You can’t unless you’re fine struggling your way to 1700.
No one care’s . Blizzard doesn’t care . Who give’s a frig that your going to wait until wrath .
Welcome to what the Alliance had to deal with for the entirety of both original vanilla and tbc. Horde having instant queues, nearly always playing premades, and often being in best gear. It was absolutely pointless play as a pug back then.
Of course, the horde just found it hilarious and thought nothing was wrong with that arrangement, so my sympathy for your plight is minimal, at best.
it’s bad if your top priority is low BG queues, yes
And you are failing to provide any evidence that your solution will not do more harm than good which is what I"m trying to drill into your head. If people are speaking out against it, it’s because they believe it will do harm.
Look, I think you fail to understand how this works. Blizzard is silent, which would put them at best in the middle of the situation or on the side of those opposing your suggestion. You as the Snake Oil Salesman need to prove to us, and Blizzard that your solution will work. And you are so bad at it that you haven’t won a single individual over. If your solution works without doing more harm than good. THEN PROVE IT. That is your responsibility. You need to sell us the BS you’re pedaling that this is a pain free solution that won’t make things works. That’s how this works.
Except it’s tbc and both have paladins. Haha what a tool.
Choices SHOULD matter. And the main reason so many people go horde is for dps racials.
You jumped on bandwagon A and have found it is crammed while bandwagon B is nice and comfy with short que times. This is not a new concept. The problem has existed in retail ever since they made the dumb decision to gut EMFH. It was easy to see coming.
Want shorter que times? Go for the less populated faction. This is a problem that easily manages itself.
Im asking you for the harm it could potentially cause because I honestly have no idea a how horde-alliance faction change would cause harm. how can i provide evidence that it wont cause harm if i think the change wont cause any harm to begin with? evidence of what?
the problem that keeps occurring between you and i is you wont tell me HOW or WHY this QoL change would ruin the game. youre saying its my job to make your point for you?
how is it not self evident that the solution will work?
if a player want to play more bgs, then the solution of paid limited time horde-alliance faction changes im offering would give people an opportunity to play more bgs at a price. does this solve overall bg queues? I have no idea, that’s not really the goal here. the goal is to give people more choice so they can play their desired part of the game.
its a solved problem. there is a fix in blizzard developers toolkit ( it happens next classic xpac). blizzard has already set precedent for changing TBC with paladin seals (to fix a TBC problem), tinnitus(in game change to cap stacking LW), one time character boosts, the new arena mmr system.
imo these are good changes. it may not be TBC, but it is still improvement on TBC. we are all playing patch 2.4 so the game has all the balance changes. most people wanted #nochanges vanilla which we got for the most part (didnt play much because it was too much of a grind that ive already done). and part of the reason people wanted vanilla back is because many feel like TBC made the game too casual to begin with. I like that blizzard made changes to be more casual friendly (originally and now) to some extent. did retail/shadowlands go too far? imo yes which is why im not playing shadowlands. there are QoL changes which can be implemented without ruining the feel of rereleased expansions.
dual spec wouldn’t make TBC feel any less TBC. neither would a faction change. it doesn’t change the overall gameplay of the game or player power in game. TBC still feels like TBC (for the most part). the quest lines, raids, dungeons, talent trees/toolkits. all feel like TBC.
its not like people are saying " do you know what makes TBC, TBC? having to grind gold for 50-100 and traveling back and forth from your trainer really made TBC what it is. it defines it!" it may have been part of TBC, but it isn’t what made the game what it is.
paid appearance/name changes don’t impact the game on any large level either. stuff like this should be in the game.
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Well considering how many horde are opposed to rerolling, and how many horde enjoy pvp’ing, won’t the bg queue issue just carry over to wotlk?
This is your problem. This is what we call “bias”. Most people won’t do any form of research to be able to see that nothing is so cut and dry. I link you threads where you have plenty of people raising points, but for whatever reason you have to hear it from me. God knows why, probably more the fact you don’t care enough to do the research. You see a way out that sounds good to you, and that is all that matters.
I’ll give you one right now. Let’s say we do transfers. What about those realms where the Horde is outnumbered by Alliance? They all transfer over to Alliance as well absolutely devastating those already suffering populations? Do you think Blizzard should intervene? If so, how do you decide it’s fair when those very Horde players are suffering for a poor experience also? Why should their realm population justify they should suffer long queue times? Who are you to tell a person who pays just as much as you do a month that you matter more to them if they aren’t allowed to use the same services you got to? How do you justify and approach those you absolutely screwed after you killed what little grouping they could get off?
What about shaman influx? You can’t boost a Draenei, so what about those who busted hump to level a shaman watch as people who boosted, or already had high level shaman suddenly get to move over at 70 that they didn’t because of their own personal choice? To you these seem trivial. Which is the issue you need to address with yourself. To you it may mean jack all what those people think. To them however, the same people who pay the same monthly fees that you do, these mean something to them and their feelings and thoughts mean just as much as yours.
Why are you promising them future cash payments for this level of incompetence? Oh, I’ll wait for wrath and then give you $360 in sub for that. Because I’m sure there won’t be any faction imbalance in that game, either. I mean, alliance has effectively zero chance of ever winning Wintergrasp on most servers.
i asked you specifically why and how you back your argument and your answer was to avoid then post a link to a thread (another evade) which i have no idea which exact post is making the point for you. “here read this” doesn’t answer my question. how am i supposed to know which post makes your point and you agree with? why am i supposed to do all the work for YOUR argument?
as to the “must be a character flaw irl” part of the argument. how curious 
and holy jeeeeeeeeesus nickole finally answers. is evasion on cooldown irl?
[quote] I’ll give you one right now. Let’s say we do transfers. What about those realms where the Horde is outnumbered by Alliance? They all transfer over to Alliance as well absolutely devastating those already suffering populations? Do you think Blizzard should intervene? If so, how do you decide it’s fair when those very Horde players are suffering for a poor experience also? Why should their realm population justify they should suffer long queue times? Who are you to tell a person who pays just as much as you do a month that you matter more to them if they aren’t allowed to use the same services you got to? How do you justify and approach those you absolutely screwed after you killed what little grouping they could get off?
What about shaman influx? You can’t boost a Draenei, so what about those who busted hump to level a shaman watch as people who boosted, or already had high level shaman suddenly get to move over at 70 that they didn’t because of their own personal choice? To you these seem trivial. Which is the issue you need to address with yourself. To you it may mean jack all what those people think. To them however, the same people who pay the same monthly fees that you do, these mean something to them and their feelings and thoughts mean just as much as yours.
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oh this is nice. an actual counter argument.
it would be a problem for horde on an alliance dominated server. although im not sure how much of a problem it would since most of the faction dominance is on the horde side. most alliance players have complaints about being camped by horde due to lack of faction balance. i havent seen too many of these complaints about being camped by alliance.
and yeah. horde skipping the draenai leveling process would cause some problems. the dranai/be 1-70 seems intended based on the way boosts were given out. i guess it would depend on the long term impact of long horde queues on the game overall (has potential to negatively impact the game).
and THANK YOU for FINALLY making a point. took you long enough 
You mean made a point that has been made in other threads I linked you? You’re welcome, it’s a shame I personally cared more about your argument than you did and did the research when you would not.
quit crying lmfao, make a premade or roll ally for faster queue times jesus, the entitlement on some of these players