If you are getting bored change spec

Maybe level as Balance Druid or Ele Shaman (what I’m doing). Maybe dual wield instead of 2h (maybe even level as tank with shield)

Maybe instead of wanding everything to death have fun and go into shadow early

Yes it 100% will not be efficient but you have already done that…many many times. Maybe this go around buy the extra water and try something different

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Glory to the fire stone warlock!

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I will never not Druid tank. Chill and efficient is how we like it.

I dropped cruel barb instead of smite’s hammer and now I’m itching to level up as dual wield, but I also want to tank dungeons and I’m afraid my threat generation will be atrocious compared to 2H.

I leved as dual wield warrior starting from lvl 25 all the way to 60. Can confirm, it was a blast. You may have some decent misses on your off-hand but rage generation is good (especially 40+)

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As a healer, I’ve had some good sword and board tanks just as I’ve had good two hand tanks. Early on, though, I’ve had two dual wield tanks, and while damage could be spikey, all three have done just fine.

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Decided to try something new on this go. Playing Hunter for the first time in Classic. Life is just so easy!

Played lock & druid back in 2019 on Classic and warrior / shaman during TBC, nothing compares to the ease that is hunter!

It’d be pretty awesome if folks got off the stupid metasheep mentality and actually tried to play the game.

It’s honestly shocking how our culture has changed. We used to want to do the cool things the big guilds did back in the day, which was just clear that content. Now players will go to any lengths to try and mirror the top players to the point of matching every little thing they do to the point that the only difference is their names. It’s like some weird idol worship mixed with terrible method acting.

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Nothing has changed beyond the equation being solved. The easiest way to “do the cool things the big guilds did” is to copy/paste whatever is meta

If we had the knowledge and resources in 2004 that we do now it would’ve been no different

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No, what we did was watch their instructional “How to” videos and followed strats. EJ never said, “To do this, you need X number of warriors and mages.” It is a huge difference. These days, if a top guild shows an exact group setup, the playerbase will work their hardest to match it to a T. We are not the same. This is a shift in gaming culture. We at any time could have mirrored those folks, and we chose not to.

Did you read what I said? We didn’t have wowhead back then and we didn’t know what was point for point “the best”. If we did, it would be just like it is now

The community hasn’t changed, only the knowledge and information it has access to. 2004 WoW was not some Eden of a community, it sucked just as much as it does now, the internet was just newer and people were younger

We didn’t have WoWhead, we had Elitist Jerks and other websites that compiled similar data. If you played in Vanilla you’d know there was far more community driven think tanking and record keeping. EJ had pages upon pages of information on classes, skills, performance, strats for boss fights, etc compiled by the the US top performing guilds of it’s time.

There was no community shift, only the information available

Which is irrelevant. I’m saying the information we had at the time was what was “Best” and we chose not to forsake our identity and overall fun to be “the best” at everything. The gaming culture at the time showed no interest in this “Min/max gotta be best” mentality of new gaming culture. Again, we are not the same.

It’s human nature to look back on the past fondly while forgetting or glossing over the smudges of our memories. This is known as the rose-tinted glasses effect

The community did not change, only the information that it had. What we have now is “2 + 2 = 4 and here is more math that proves why”, while back then it was “2 + 2 probably = 4, but 3 and 5 are just as viable if you know how to use them”

You are so full of it. There is no “smudge in memory” here my guy. Unless the smudge is within your memory from everything being “solved” to this one patch. Back then we had constant changes on patch by patch basis that changed what was “best”. Warrior didn’t scale like the patch you have now for plenty of Vanilla, it didn’t make people stop playing warrior to roll the FotM, it didn’t make people play more warriors. We didn’t stop taking hunters because hunters were nerfed only to take more warlocks because they were buffed. We took what we had and played the game. The design philosophy of WoW was antithesis to the “Gotta be best” as EQ demanded exact comps, classes, skill sets, etc that WoW specifically veered away from because they wanted a more casual, player friendly experience. The culture of today is very much different from the culture at the time.

Denial is the first step on the road to recovery

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I often tanked as dual weild. U take more damage but get more rage=more damage and threat (mostly it helps on holding threat vs. The dps since threat gen in classic is awful)

Exactly. The top players were not making builds, at least not without getting their head around the serious math and logic nerd’age on EJ’s.