I’ve been using Blizz inhouse UI without weakauras for every season of TWW. Healer main playing all healers, and no issue healing in m+ and raid. You’re just too dependent on addons and weakauras.
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i healed with elvui for years and switched to cell. just to try new things and o boy its so much better. 
you can use default ui but why should we.
but it looks like every unit frame addon will break. no more custom UIs in today’s restrictions.
They really didn’t have much motivation to improve them for healers since they likely had data showing most healers replaced them anyway.
Now if more will use them they have a motivation to improve them.
All they really need to do is expand options to resize them and give us some ability to customize where buffs and debuffs (particularly high priority debuffs) appear, which was actually done via an addon that modified the base frames previously https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/enhanced-raid-frames
That addon will also cease to function (and the addon author mentions it will no longer be updated in Midnight).
I’m sure the devs could handle making an advanced raid frame options tab with extra settings if addon developers were able to do it for years.
Other nice to haves:
- customizable border indicator (either for dispels, aggro or to highlight those targeted by big casts)
- texture options to change how they look
- 1-2 bar indicators for HoTs as an option (some people use a bar instead of HoT icons or text, I used a bar for rejuv/renew at the top of my square frames and icons for most other things)
- options to adjust the range fading
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WA doesn’t matter.
Addons like Vuhdo are honestly clicking-lite and I’ll never understand why they remain so popular.
Grid is sad though. Blizzard better get their butts in gear and make the base raid frames as customizable as possible before Midnight goes live. I’d imagine if Grid isn’t going to work properly, Raid Frames built into other addons (like ElvUI) will have similar issues.
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You can do that if you want. I’m not. Vuhdo is my requirement to continue being subscribed to this game. If it goes, I go. I’ll take my money elsewhere. I already unsubscribed, I just haven’t left yet because I plan on riding out the rest of TWW since the changes aren’t live yet (and I still have 3-4 months left on the TWW sub I got at the beginning).
But if I leave over this, I’m not returning even if they revert the changes. They made their bed, they can lie in it.
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I use Healbot, the same raid-frame addon I’ve used on my Resto Druid since Vanilla. In case you’re not familiar with it, it’s not actually a “bot” (despite it’s name), it’s a click-to-heal raid-frame addon similar to Vuhdu, etc. I have it very customized, constantly tweaking things, and am able to customize it further if/when needed.
A good example is with the “Nexus-King’s Command” Trinket. It works by putting a debuff on a friendly player every 30 seconds. You get an intellect buff when you heal the player with the debuff. So the amount of intellect uptime from the trinket is directly tied to healing the people with the debuff (has to be a direct heal, HoTs don’t count).
I was able to easily add the debuff to Healbot via it’s Spell ID and now it shows up on the left side of each frame when it’s on someone. My intellect uptime for that trinket increased from ~25% to 40%+. Who knows if that would even be possible with the stock UI, or even in a best-case scenario, how much extra time I’d have to waste figuring out how to do something with the stock UI that took me 30 seconds to configure with Healbot. In a worst-case scenario I guess I’m clicking each person now just to see who might have the debuff? Assuming it even shows me at all on the stock frames? lol
“I never understand why people use other addons, but my favorite addon is amazing!”
Get over yourself.
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You have far too much faith imo. Look at the CD manager and that travesty there o.o,
If the wow devs would work and bring the addon devs into the fold maybe, but i doubt they will do so. That would mean hiring more people which would cut into CEO and shareholder money
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I agree but Blizz said they wouldn’t make drastic changes like we’re seeing until they have adequate in game replacements ready and the in game frames aren’t currently adequate.
At least Ion finally admitted they suck in the round table but it’s just one more thing for them to deal with in a very short time frame.
They’ve reworked every spec and nuked combat addons which both need to be addressed in tandem with releasing a new x-pac AND Housing and it all needs to be done by what looks like February.
Huh? I have no idea what you mean by that. You mouseover, and you hit a keyboard button.
It’s very simple to move my mouse to the edge or otherwise out of the way so that when I want to cast an ability on myself, I don’t cast it on a mouseover target. Not a big deal.
For some spells, like Chronoflame, I have a special @player keybind, so it doesn’t activate as a damage spell on my current target instead of a healing spell on me.
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Debuffs show up on the left side of the frame in the standard UI. Is that debuff omitted?
Man I don’t even use Grid I’m just aware of how it works and that the base raid frames don’t allow that much customization.
Just remember friends, Unsubscribing is the only thing they will listen to, if they drastically lose a lot of subs at the start of midnight outpacing the number of new players they hope to pull into our old game then I have no doubt they will cave and rush to undo these changes before it’s too late.
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I did notice some strange mouse over adjustments that I had to make when I finally did the final switch, so I do understand those concerns.
Hopefully they will be focusing on integrating more customization, so that if you have preferences for vertical, etc. they can be accommodated. Honestly, they should coordinate WITH addon devs, loop them in, because they understand what the playerbase is looking for.
Idk. I mean, I know I’ll be fine but I respect independent developers and I think they should be included for their sake and for the players. It’s in everyone’s best interest.
It’s not a dispellable debuff. Most raid frames generally only show dispellable debuffs, otherwise every raid frame would have 30 icons on it for things that don’t matter and that you don’t need to know about. This is not a dispellable debuff so it’s not shown, but I obviously benefit from seeing it anyway. It’s this type of customization that is going to be lost or become much more difficult.
I mean, if Blizzard’s stock raid frames were amazing and did everything perfect, then this would obviously be less of an issue. I’d still prefer choice even in that scenario, but it would suck a lot less.
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They kind of have no choice now.
They either fix their issues or die. Full stop. They’ve already mentioned a shift in their encounter design philosophy, which can be seen in Eco-Dome Aldani. They just need to continue to make encounters like those boss fights, with clear visuals and enough time to react.
There’s a reason why Eco-Dome Aldani is the easiest dungeon this season, and it’s because the encounters were designed to be more player friendly and not need addons to show the visuals of mechanics as we are given a generous amount of time to react to any mechanic in that dungeon.
I don’t care so much about some of it but taking skull bash away is the last straw and I will likely be maining dps for a long while… I have main healed since shadowlands.
Or people will adapt and learn how to heal on their own.
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Agree, if they don’t make drastic improvements to the unit frames my healing days are over. i refuse to put myself through the frustration of using their abhorrent base UI after having Cell. it’s the equivalent of having your 2025 Lambo repo’d and being forced to drive an 87 cutlass
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Every time blizzard tries to balance healers, it ends in disaster and is quickly reverted. Now we’re looking at a total redesign and “simplification for approachability” so it’s really just a double tap. The default ui has been a dumpster fire for healing for 20 years and now we’re supposed to believe they will somehow resolve that in 4 months.
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