If you’re making demands about prices then it’s not a tip; it’s a bill.
Except waiters provide a service (bringing you the food, making sure you’re comfortable and being friendly) that warrants a tip
I’ve personally spent most of my working life working for tips, I know what it’s like. And enchanting someone’s gear with their own mats isn’t anything close to it. Your demand for a tip in this situation would be like a pizza driver demanding a tip from a customer that walked in, made their own pizza with ingredients they brought from their own home, asked for it to be delivered to their home and already paid for the driver’s gas. What is there left for anyone working at the restaurant to warrant a tip? The extended break the driver gets for the trip to the customer’s house that’s already been paid for?
A tip implies people can give whatever they want, or nothing. Demanding a “minimum” is not a tip. That’s a price. Furthermore, you’re demanding money for nothing more than pressing a button. “But I had to pay to work this profession!” Not our problem. In fact we also had to pay to work ours. Everyone does. It’s not just yours. All professions destroy gold to give points, an investment most people never get back.
Don’t think OP was demanding a tip. But it’s disrespectful not to tip. People can level their own professions if they don’t wanna tip lol.
bruh i been giving 100g tips rip my gold
The time spent gaining proficiency in the skill and having the recipe–which may be expensive, time consuming, or rare/gated behind certain content depending on the enchant.
In the Warcraft Universe that constitutes labor.
It is also not as if we are all living to tend a virtual storefront in Stormwind/Dalaran rather than play the game ourselves.
If you want a cheaper enchant than the vellum in the AH and to have a someone personally meet you and do it, share the wealth a little bit. Determine some reasonable medium between what you spent/would have spent. I guarantee you save a lot more than 20g in a lot of cases. If you don’t, why are you fishing for an enchanter in the first place?
You’re confusing suggesting a reasonable expectation with a demand. Nobody demands that you tip a minimum of 15-20% at a restaurant, but it’s heavily frowned upon not to. The OP said you should tip 20g at minimum. The OP implies they have been accepting 3, 5, and 10g tips.
“But I had to pay to work this profession!” Not our problem. In fact we also had to pay to work ours. Everyone does. It’s not just yours. All professions destroy gold to give points, an investment most people never get back.
If you haven’t figured out how to leverage money out of your professions, that’s a personal problem or you invested in that profession for a personal raid, pvp, etc… performance benefit (show me a list where enchanting is a BiS performance profession.)
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I tip what i want
If you want a wage for your materials, that’s what the auction house and enchanting vellums are for
If you want a tip, that’s a gratuity at the discretion of the person providing you the materials
If you want a tip, that’s a gratuity at the discretion of the person providing you the materials
Yeah, I generally agree with your definition. Not something I’m arguing against. I’m arguing their is game-labor/cost involved in leveling enchanting and providing a personal enchanting service and that some people ought to have more reasonable tipping expectations.
Here’s an example of a common low tier enchant on the auction house on Eranikus: Greater Savagery going for ~133g.
The materials to make this enchant are ~56g. If you tip 10 gold you saved 67g on the enchant.
The enchant requires level 390 to learn. From 375 skill that’s ~126 infinite dust with a retail value of 468g if you were to buy it, or likely 22-23 disenchanted greens. (edited to correct amounts). Selling the enchants you made up to this point on vellums-- assuming they all sold–would net you around 175g. You basically spent 292g just to get to the point of making the enchant Greater Savagery.
It seems rather incongruent who’s doing the most labor and reaping the most savings between the enchanter and the person who just bought the mats on the AH. And, I realize you can do that enchant over and over again, but you’re still going to have to do it more than you ever would at 10g a pop to make it worth your while.
Think about spending time skilling it up to 450 and trying to get a return on your investment/time.
Seeing people in this thread balk at someone suggesting 20g be a reasonable tip strikes me as ridiculous.
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Hey, here’s a thought, how about business take the burden here and actually pay service staff a living wage. Why is it that every time service staff complain about money, it falls on the people tipping, “You need to tip more!” they say. Yet they are the ones accepting this culture of paying service staff the bare minimum possible.
How about you change the root cause of the problem, huh?
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Let’s be fair, someone in the “I work for tips” position isn’t going to have the power to change anything, neither is refusing to work an option because finding any job at all is not easy
I disagree, history is littered with cases where workers have joined together to change things for the better. If enough service staff band together on this issue, they can impact change.
I have no problems paying a little bit more for my meal, if I know the staff, and I mean all staff, including cooks and cleaning staff, are getting a fair wage and benefits.
I don’t care about your life. The simple point is that if I spend time and gold levelling a profession, don’t expect that I will give you free access to it without suitable compensation.
Never said anything about my life, you said I don’t tip and you have no information to conclude that. I also have no need of another enchanter since I can do it myself anyways, so yet another sick strawman - pretty cool to project some fake expectations. Keep up the braying, hee haw.
i’ll never tip you or any chanter.
pretty much this, what the people complaining about in this thread don’t seem to realize is that us pro-tip-what-you-want are also enchanters who see this isn’t a necessity.
A general quest will give you nearly 20g. A regular speak to X gives only like 5g.
So… 5g it is.
Now if I needed you to go out an kill 12 Vrykul that would be worth 20g.
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You do tip your electricians, plumbers and lawyers? If so, hats off for your generosity. I admit that I have purchased six packs for my local mechanic for treating me well as a customer. But that is not the norm and should not be expected.
Yeah, the comparison to the US tipping system in this thread is cringe, since tipping is an anomoly in the Western world to offset horrendously unjust industrial relations law.
There is really no comparison to it and WoW.
You want a tip?
I don’t disagree but real life doesn’t work the way being proposed in this thread.
People who spend years of reduced or negative income studying/training to develop a skill are investing in their long-term success. They then get paid (or charge as a business
-owner / contractor) an above-average wage and enjoy the benefit of having a competitive edge in the labour market.
If you view your service as a means of recouping your reduced earning potential while training then charge for your services like any other professional.
Taking your approach, I would also expect enchanters to refuse tips once they’re in the black. Otherwise you’re socialising the costs of your investment and privatising the rewards.