Idk maybe you didn’t play once horde started retaking IBGY which trapped alliance up north.
There is dozens of YouTube videos showcasing horde have a 95% win rate.
Alliance were literally making threads in classic because they would get exalted and they didn’t win a single AV the whole way there.
I mean I do want old av, but not sure we will see the grave zug strat.
Horde won AB by the map alone + shamans possibly purging…
I appreciate the wanted changes for bgs… timers for wsg, Av balanced, yada-yada…
BUT what I’d really want is a seasonal AV… strictly just cosmetic changes. Summer version of AV, all snow melted, water is raised higher. Halloween/fall spooky vibes… even the ERA players will love this. Cmon devs… hand me the sticks. I got you.
Bump . For the love of god please don’t give us the dogwater 1.12 version. SoD is supposed to be about new and exciting changes, for the love of god give us 1.5.
i guarantee the horde will be farming the alliance at SHGY for 10 minutes before taking it and pushing them into the afk cave, screencap this
Which 1.5 though. There’s the Lazy 1.5, where all they do is add back in the NPCs. And then there’s the 1.5, where the map once again has the Gnoll camps that I think were above SHGY…
Spoilers: They allegedly lost the 1.12 source so them having Patch 1.5/1.6 source is highly unlikely. Meaning the best you can hope for is the Lazy 1.5 version.
The unfairness of the AV map to Horde is massive, so I do hope they fix it. That said, if they keep it as is maybe Ally will stop boohooing about shamans.
Your memory is severely distorted. Ally won 90% of AVs in Vanilla, even after premades were nerfed.
I mean, nothing is being done about queu times for Horde, so good luck even getting into av.
my memory is not severely distorted, i played alliance and i linked multiple posts of people talking about it, notice slytax left the thread as soon as they got posted? he knows too
the horde “scorched earth” meta demolished the alliance, here’s two more links anyway
there were so few alliance victorys that the alliance stopped queueing and the horde had nearly 2 hr queues, sound familiar?
Horde has a shorter route to Vann. Anyone who’s actually learned the map knows this much.
The map is balanced for Horde to win majority over alliance. I don’t know where you get the idea horde will never win AV from. It’s a base race meta and Horde can get to Vann faster than Alliance can get to Drek. Drek or kek.
I went to R11 in 2019 classic and R14 in era both on alliance side and both times Horde won majority 2/3 of games within 10 minutes with fastest wins being about 6 minutes in. Alliance wins were around 7 minutes at best. On average horde win 1 min faster assuming both sides are base racing. Knowing this, the best ally strategy is full drek or kek with like 3-4 people that wait in Vann room to disrupt tanks and heals and try and buy that minute.
This is untrue.
Horde realized how to win 95% of AV matches by just retaking IBGY and locking Ally up north.
Idk why you guys dont realize this, maybe you stopped playing.
Even so there was dozens of threads and dozens of videos showcasing what we are saying, horde had a 95% win rate.
true i play both but horde mainly on SOD and horde win 90% of AVs in vanilla due to horde having slight advantage/more pvp mindset players. all in all, it really comes down to team motivation. whichever team can read and execute tower control wins no matter what. AV has and any 40man BG will always be 1 sided faction dominant due to whichever faction has less BOTs and afker honor farmers.
in classic re-release, after ally premade got removed, horde won 9/10 AVs due to ally having an extreme honor BOT problem. this is just facts. anyone who played knows this. i no lifed r14 as an alliance hunter and this is just the data i concluded with
The advantage is simply the fact that the cave rez starts right away for Horde.
Alliance cant push south.
They soft cap ibgy which is their first objective and horde soft cap SHGY.
Now what happens after that is nuts.
Horde now rez up to 20 at a time 25 seconds from IBGY, the first objective alliance are trying to hard cap.
Alliance now rez at Stormpike GY up to 10 at a time over 90 seconds away from IBGY, their first objective.
Every single time a horde from the cave kills an alliance they are literally removed from the battle, they will never get south again.
Every time a horde is killed at IBGY they just go right back to their cave.
If horde do this strat they cant lose.
Honestly I will be disappointed if we don’t get some kind of altered AV for SoD.
They’ll give us the SOM version with extra NPCs that did nothing but keep you in combat half the game.
You linked a post from 2020. I was talking about vanilla, which was 2005-07. Ally dominating AVs during this time. I don’t know how pvp was during classic. Did they make a map change at that time? I know by then Ally were very anti-pvp except in zergs.
Same map but the strategies changed.
Horde also utilize their map advantage