The only definition that matters is that of blizzard’s .
They are the judge, Jury and executioner we have no say in the matter.
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Maybe. And every single one that can be locked down through reports matters.
Still not likely as they would need to change their location for every single report in a limited amount of time. I get that you want it to be the same person/hacker/etc. but in 100% of the cases where people have posted here with the same belief, Blizzard has clarified that they were incorrect. That doesn’t mean it’s always that way, just going off what I’ve seen posted here.
Perhaps you weren’t around prior to the spam option, but it was terrible.
In any event, you know you can post in the GD forums or use the in-game suggestion feature if you have a constructive suggestion to make.
I’ll be muting this thread now.
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I also don’t want to be automatically punished, squelched (I am done with the “is being squelched a punishment or not” argument), when I’m not doing anything wrong.
This is my primary concern. But squelches are automated, and Blizzard is not likely to change it. So other people have the power to punish me, and I just have to hope that there aren’t enough of them to trigger it and abuse the system to my detriment.
A VPN.
Since 2008. I even remember the hackers making messages in the skies.
If no other chat is happening, then it could be considered.
We don’t have a magic ball that will calculate how busy or quiet a chat channel is at any given time.
You’re not going to get a clear cut answer, not matter how hard you try to spin the same question around.
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Then I shouldn’t face the possibility of a squelch. How can I know how to not break the rule when I don’t even have a clear answer on what the rule is?
Imagine if speed limit signs no longer had a number on them. Could you still get pulled over for speeding? How are you speeding if theres not a number posted in the speed limit sign?
So you think the gold selling criminals/RMT criminals operating in huge networks with stolen accounts are reporting you?
I am going to say that is unlikely. Those are generally not real time monitored by humans and are unlikely to report.
Further, selling normal trade crafting services does not step on the crime ring’s toes so they would have no reason to report you.
This whole thread needs to just be locked. When you get a warning, just slow down your trade adverts. Period. There is no way around that. Stop annoying the other paying customers.
Edit - another saying for it is “Read the room”. Meaning figure out how people around you are reacting to your behavior, or whatever is going on, and adjust as needed. Warnings tell you very clearly that you are bothering people.
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As has been explained many times here, you won’t be automatically punished. Blizzard investigates all reports.
There is nothing you can do to prevent a possible squelch. There are steps you can take to lessen the chance, but if you are unwilling to do them, then you will likely continue to be reported by your realmmates, increasing the chances that not only it rise to the level of a squelch, but also a punishment from Blizzard when they investigate the reports.
The only person responsible for actions on your account is YOU. IF you are punished, it will be because of YOUR actions. You are free to disagree with any possible punishment all you want, but it is Blizzard’s decision.
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When did I suggest this? I think we’ve gotten confused somewhere.
How?! I don’t know what annoys them. My God.
People have stated they are annoyed at ANY profession service in trade chat. What you are telling me to do IS NOT POSSIBLE.
Also the other paying customers are annoying me with these reports. I can’t annoy them but they can annoy me?
I make an average of over 100k gold a day from my profession. I have done the best of my ability to make this as non intrusive as possible to my fellow players. I’ve also talked to others on my server who are crafters. They experience the same thing all the time. Clearly my realm does not like professions posted in Trade. I don’t care. Blizzard, the owner of this game, has explicitly stated that Trade is where I am SUPPOSED to post my profession services. I should not have to suffer my gold making, or anything else because my realm disagrees with what Blizzard has clearly stated.
There. That is from one of the forum SFAs from another case a few months back. That is as spelled as they ever get on what constitutes spam.
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For the sake of my sanity, and before I get upset and risk a forum vacation I’m closing this thread and muting it. I should have known better to come to a customer support forum instead of just trying to open a ticket and talk to Blizzard.
Common sense?
If the chat is slow your ad won’t move off quickly. If you’re the only one posting, then it won’t move off at all.
You are not going to get a guarantee that you won’t be reported by others, and potentially getting squelched.
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Unfortunately this isn’t helpful. Changing my behavior to not be considered spam on my server would be to longer sell at all. Thats not an option I’ll even remotely consider. But thank you for this post.
I’m using that. Common sense says if chat is going super fast I’m fine to post when I do. If I honestly thought the reports were justified why would I be here?
The GMs are not going to talk to you about this. This IS the place you get information on policies.
You just don’t like the answers.
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Because you’re hung up completely on the risk.
Blizzard isn’t going to give you the info you want, because we all know the second you get another squelch or silence you’ll be here whining about how unfair it is, and how you following Blizzard’s info perfectly but still got actioned.
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Actually, that’s an interesting analogy. Because that number on the sign is a hard line on maximum but doesn’t actually apply if driving conditions are poor. In that case the limit is lower; you either use common sense or you get cited.
There is no “You can’t cite me because I don’t personally believe the conditions are that bad.” Nope.
You can and will get pulled over for driving the speed limit if conditions aren’t appropriate. And whether or not “conditions are appropriate” is kinda up to the cop.
There is no rule in any state’s vehicle code that says:
“If there is more than 10mm of water present on the freeway, you may continue to go 65, but if there are 11-20mm of water the speed limit is 40, and if there is also rain currently falling, the speed limit is 30, and if there’s snow present the speed limit is 25.”
Ironically, you’ll get cited for going 65 in heavy snow and low visibility, even though the sign obviously says 65.
Whether or not “conditions are acceptable” is ultimately up to the cop (you can put your foot down on your opinion on “conditions,” but the cop has the last say) and you are actually expected to figure this stuff out for yourself, before you get cited.
Same as here:
- Do a thing.
- Get a warning about a thing.
- Modify your behavior.
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I’m not sure what your issue is. You have asked many questions and been answered, ad nauseum. In the last few messages, you simplified it to ask the direct questions you wanted answered, and they have been answered.
The fact that you don’t like the answers doesn’t make them any less relevant.
This is the best course to avoid a squelch. Don’t want to do it? That’s your choice. But you are not going to get a blanket confirmation that you’re ok from Blizzard. There is no protection from getting a squelch.
That is not common sense. That is you desperately clinging to what you have been doing.
Common sense would say when your realmmates have reported you to the point that you’ve received multiple warnings, then you need to do something differently, if you wish to avoid a squelch or account actions.
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Incorrect. It’s not the same as a silence, because a silence is a penalty. A squelch isn’t. As I said, a squelch is a stopgap to prevent spamming, like gold spammers. It requires a lot of reports for spam to occur, and a lot of reports also increases the urgency of the issue in the GM queue. So if a squelch has occurred, it’s going to rocket the issue to the top. So the response to a squelch is going to be fast.
Therefore, if a squelch is the result of an abuse of the reporting system, then it will be removed. And that will all happen fast, as previously mentioned. If the squelch was not in error, then it gets removed and replaced with a silence. So as I said, if it lasts long enough that you notice, it was probably a silence, not a squelch.
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And the silence is only on the first offense now, with any further actions being full suspensions, each getting bigger and bigger up to and including a full on ban.
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