WG and fun should not be used together in a sentence unless fun is proceeded by “is not”.
Agreed, this bg is just not fun
AV and Isle of Conquest are both far far superior to WG ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
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I mean, if we’re gonna have “vehicle PvE” then I would much rather do that in a World Quest or something… certainly something much shorter/more casual than a lengthy 45 minute commitment to a single Wintergrasp match.
PvP should be kept as PvP (which is what battlegrounds are supposed to revolve around), PvE should be kept to a minimum in battlegrounds imo
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I love WG. Also if you destroy the towers in the south the total time is shortened 5 minutes per tower for a total of 15.
IoC is honestly my least favorite of the 3 epic battlegrounds. AV is my favorite and i’ve quite enjoyed WG. I hope they add TB eventually and maybe an altered version of SotA to fit the epic bg format.
Epic battlegrounds are what i wanted Warfronts to be
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Bold claim for someone with only anecdotal evidence.
He’s not wrong though
The average/typical WG match is full of comments like “this is so boring”, “oh no, not this again”, and “i wish we could blacklist this” in the chat, obviously a lot of casuals do not like this bg 
Source: i do a couple epic bgs most nights
I agree. Epic battlegrounds should be specifically for people who want longer BGs. If you don’t want longer BGs, stay out of the epic que. I want AV’s to back to lasting 2+ days long where NPC’s are summoned, etc. personally
However it would be nice since they’re adding so many BGs to be able to de-select certain ones like in the past.
That’s not enough evidence to claim anything. Some people hate dungeons, and cry loudly. They remain a tiny sample size.
It’s become popular to be overwhelmingly negative. People have figured out it gets them attention.
Again… I don’t think anyone would mind the length if its was done right, people dont read… Its buggy and you know you’re going to lose and still have 30 minutes left. Even when you take down all the towers you still have 20+ minutes to wait. If you are on Offense they forget ever getting a plan together, people constantly quit, join, quit, join… And its out dated! This is an old map and the demos vs player damage is all screwed up. You can pull a siege which is supposed to be big and bulky yet its made of paper. People will pull the catapults over the siege because they can roll around and burn people and completely ignore the objective…
Wintergrasp usually ends up being a “revolving door” of new people and backfillers, since people ragequitting/leaving early is so common in this bg.
You see a lot of this after the first few minutes:
“__________ has left the instance group.”
“__________ has left the instance group.”
“__________ has left the instance group.”
Then even the new people that get added to replace the quitters leave almost as soon as they join… then another new player gets added to replace that person, then he quits as soon as he zones in, then another player joins, and he also leaves almost immediately… etc etc
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ah, always someone being a sour grape somewhere.
can’t even enjoy a good bg.
I think they’re bringing back Wintergrasp to hint that we’re going back to Northrend in a future patch or expansion. But I agree - the current version of Wintergrasp could use some fixing.
I’ve won the majority of mine as offense. In fact I think i’ve lost all my defend games (though that being said i’ve had twice as many offense as defence). I have never noticed any bugs and have certainly never not been able to use the vehicle abilities.
Having multiple leavers at the start is fairly common in any of the epic bgs in my experience.
30 minutes and even 45 is typical of most my other epic bg matches. If you’re writing it off as a win or lose based on what side you’re on then you’re part of the problem.
It’s still fairly new (it bringing brought back i mean) so I wouldn’t be surprised to see balance changes in the future to things like vehicle health and damage.
I don’t think the 45 minutes is the problem. I can have a long AV that gets stalled cause both teams turtled but its still fun cause there’s multiple objectives to still do, or just the large battle in mid.
WG you can only really build seige and drive into a meat grinder. Sure you can defend a workshop here and there but 90% of it is attacking walls.
Makes that 45 minutes feel 4x longer when you’re only able to do one thing. Siege wall/defend wall.
Exactly, its just out dated. Especially to be an Epic BG.
BUT! What about all of the people on the forum who cry that old expansions >>>> new expansions? This flies in the face of conventional general discussion logic!
You don’t really get much for running random bg anymore. Just run specific que.
I don’t get it. Why would you knowingly queue for something you don’t like? Queue for random bg’s instead of epic ones. There.
Well if you actually read all of my post and not just one that made responding to someone else you would have seen where I asked…
and then someone said
and so i responded
So to answer your question though, I don’t queue for the epic ones I only queue for the small ones…and even then I end up in ones that I don’t particularly care for so I leave and wait out the deserter buff.
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