Burden reversal is a logical fallacy
You’re the one making the claim that it hasn’t happened. Burden of proof is on you. You want to use logs to prove or disprove yourself but thats not possible. Logs doesn’t show anything besides clear times.
It doesn’t
Do you want to know why?
By the time naxx is out, the best guilds cannibalize the weak guilds.
Strong players do not play outside of LC.
So the guilds are left with weaker players and die off
This literally happens every single server, even before classic existed
Skings doesn’t make your guild full of weak players lol. You have absolutely no knowledge on how to run a good guild I imagine.
Then why are there zero guilds not using LC that clear naxx?
It’s only LC and gdkp
I’m not hammering this point for no reason.
On anniversary there will be not a single guild that will clear naxx without using LC
I’m not trying to flame non lc formats, I’m just stating they don’t clear naxx
LC is the most popular loot system because it gives control of the leadership. Theres nothing wrong with LC, but your claim that zero guilds don’t use LC is baseless. You have nothing to back it up.
You’re hammering it because you don’t like the idea of tanks not having priority over everyone else. You made that perfectly clear.
Doubt. Goahead and track the loot system of every clear of every raid. When you figure that out let me know.
There may also be some dkp guilds but there won’t be any pugs
no pugs will clear naxx.
only gdkp pugs can do that, the other pug systems have the coordination of a headless chicken
Since 2019 release i don’t believe a single SR pug has cleared naxx. Would love to see logs that prove me wrong.
I’ve been playing vanilla for over 10 years mate
Not a single guild on any server I played on was using a non LC system in naxx
It will not happen here either
I would love to see it, but we won’t.
I have nothing against skings
Logs doesn’t show loot system… You understand that don’t you?
I can see it on an era environment yeah.
I don’t see it happening on anniversary especially seeing the scope of the current “top” guilds so far
It shows players and run and I can investigate and confirm
but nobody has even tried to show logs because they don’t exist
lol sure thing bud
The hard part with DKP is going to be surviving through AQ and going into naxx without having some people just out of control points and others none and not demotivating half the raid.
You are right that it is just so much easier to do it with LC, and I also always do my naxx prog LC.
Though I think some guild may be successful if they have a good dkp system and get a good core throughout the earlier phases
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DKP is failed system if guilds don’t reset points with big releases or have a good decay system. Anyone using DKP is just setting their guild up for drama.
You’re claiming 40 SR clowns cleared naxx.
Let’s see the logs - if you saw it happen you can find them. I won’t even bother to deny it I just to see the logs I will trust you.
Why do you think that SR makes players bad? My friends and I who were top US raiders for years, ran SR because its a decently fair system.
How is that different from Loot Councils?
It doesn’t make players bad. Good players go to SR with their rat toons and swoop the rare drops and all the stuff people don’t need.
But raiding that requires more than 2 braincells or expecting people to be good, that doesn’t happen in SR.
Geared toons don’t go to SR + you need geared toons to do naxx = you can’t do naxx SR.
Sr doesn’t “make” players bad.
Good players just have better options by a longshot than to ever step foot in a 2sr
This is why you see the drop off at aq-naxx, this is the good guilds cannibalizing the weaker guilds and the playerbase consolidates as others quit
LC and DKP are not any better than SR unless you are close with the guild leadership. A random is not better off in LC or DKP than they are in SR. Only a handful of players benefit from those loot systems over everyone else.