Gearing Question

Good morning all,

I was lucky enough to finally get my Dev Hour last night. Now I’m trying to sim it to see what I should equip/cleanse and Raidbots is being less than clear.

https://raider.io/characters/us/the-scryers/Cidniz

Should I cleanse some of my Severe 3’s to be able to keep the TD 3?

It seems if I cleanse the TD 3 it’s not worth even using over my 365 Geti’ikku. But the TD 3 should increase my M+ dps. If I’m not worrying about mythic raiding, would the ST dps loss be acceptable for the increase in M+ dps?

Or am I overthinking this and what was a BiS weapon is no longer so, because we can buy Severe 3?

You’re not overthinking this at all - this is a complicated question that a lot of people grapple with. People tend to ultimately come to different solutions because of differing priorities.

Someone who is 10000% single target will never consider touching a TD, might even have some GW, and will generally switch from Severe to Strikethrough earlier than most because it can sim strong on single target pretty early.

Someone focused mostly on overall raid damage with some M+ emphasis will be all Severe & Strikethrough, probably with a higher Severe to Strikethrough ratio than the single target guy.

With a M+ emphasis, TD can be very powerful in your overall throughput. It’s not going to be great on priority damage or single target, and if you’re just doing a single target sim it will lose there. But packs of 5 or more, it’s almost impossible to beat and that will show on your final overall damage.

A 465 OH geti might beat a cleansed dev hour in pure ST, but there’s no way it wins in anything else. Not when you already have a 475 main handed. If your dev hour doesn’t have a socket yet, that might hurt it’s competitiveness but remember that’s a temporary situation. You are sporting the 470 version of Dev Hour right?

You have a TD1 on your boots, don’t forget about cleansing that before you drop any Severe.

If you link me a top gear sim I can help you run a couple sims that’ll give you a better idea of your options.

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sHssG1eP8GCRrkF4o4qtw2 I set it to my usual sim for ST damage

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wwuveXbP3jsfD4Jh33nMcx here is the sim for the hectic add cleave.

I want to try to be more competitive in M+ 15-20, but not gimp myself too much in raids. Although I will only really be doing Heroic (maybe some light mythic pugging) so the requirements there aren’t nearly as stringent.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cXoUXZSu4v57dp3k6XwZ8m
5 target patchwork for 90 seconds

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i4a6rRHLjB8Z4HdTP9aFiq
M+ Dungeon Slice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oCZAiN2vinPDP2J9DxHRx7
Single Target

Your geti wins slightly in single target but gets demolished in the other two, which is much more important for your overall M+ dps.

You’re still looking at over 92k ST dps with this build. I killed everything but M Nzoth with that - you’ll be fine. I run 3xSevere III, 1xTD3, and 1xStrikethrough3 in raid and I think I do ok.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/44854559

Big things you do need to do that you’ll notice in the sims - for any M+ except >20 KR, WS, & SoB, you need to run Reckless Abandon. There’s no reason to run Crucible for any content, switch to Focusing Iris. If you can get C&S to rank 3, you should run that over Lucid Dream.

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Ok, I’ve made those changes and I’ll run some real time tests throughout the week. Thanks again and I appreciate the input and information as always.

Might wanna stop playing the inferior spec then. Arms is MILES ahead of fury in all content.

If I wanted to/could play Arms then I would be.

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Doesn’t really matter then brother. You’re running a marathon with one leg.

SCuffffed arms >>>>>>>>>>> Optimized fury.

Fairly certain that if I run scuffed arms meaning without TOM fury would be on top but ya know.

Fairly certain that from your 10+ kills on each boss at the heroic level you have the triple TOM somewhere in your bags or can restore it. Nevertheless, if anyone is still playing fury over arms at this point then they’re straight trolling the raid.

I’ll swap once I’m on the bottom of the dps meter. :slight_smile:

So this is the attitude of the clowns still playing fury. This guy is stuck at ilgy (arguably one of the best fights for arms) probably because they can’t meet the dps requirements since they’re warrior player is trolling, BUT HEY keep playing fury since “noT BotToM sO mY SpeC iS FiNE” :slight_smile:

Its more of a I don’t enjoy the arms play style whatsoever in BFA so thats why I play fury, and if you actually looked deeper into logs we have been stuck on ilgy for 3 weeks of prog as a casual guild cause we cant get consistent healers every week.

Anyways not like i’m gonna take advice from a clown who can’t get US 100.

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If your guild were failing to meet dps requirements by the amount of a switch from Fury to Arms, they have much bigger issues at the core of things. In general if you’re struggling on anything from dps atm, something is seriously wrong - it’s so inflated from both the corruption vendor and the continually stacking corruption resistance. I mean a raid of tanks just killed M Nzoth - do the mechanics and the boss dies.

Personally I figure top dps on our 1st M Nzoth kill, 3rd on Nzoth damage, and now we barely make it into 3rd phase before he dies…yeah I’ll play whatever tf I want.

Dude was hard carried through every M Nzoth kill he’s ever participated in until last week. I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously.

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Imagine calling out ranks when you’re still 2 months away from clearing the tier (OR US 1000+). Stop embarrassing yourself kiddo you’re already playing Fury.

I’m ready to bet on that not being the case. What are you willing to lose?

Good to know you’re still looking at my logs, might wanna take notes while you’re there since you likely noticed the fairly large disparity between us. Pretty embarrassing for you given i’ve played this class one tier and this has been your main for years. Big yikes kiddo.

Also, can’t really parse on Nzoth when you constantly have one or two buyers in, but you wouldn’t know about that. :slight_smile:

Says the guy checking mine? Lol. You literally look up every single person you talk to, it’s kind of creepy. Do you ask random strangers in the real world for their resume too?

Not really, given that you’re the one who seems to think there’s a competition between you and the rest of the community, and most of us are just playing a game. And years? Lol I started organized raiding period in BoD - deployments have a way of eating into video game excellence ‘kiddo’.

As you personally said, only the progression kill matters, and…just yikes. I hope your GM had a very long talk with you after that one.

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It seems kind of pointless to argue that Fury is outperforming Arms or is equivalent to it in raiding or on M+. Arms is way better, objectively, in raiding, and it’s a little bit better at M+. I think you can totally get away with Fury in M+, but for higher end raid I wonder why you would stick with Fury. If “I like it better “is a good enough answer for your guild then that’s great. If you don’t like the Arms play style that’s fine; it’s your decision. If no one is going to push you into it in your guild and you’re happy with your performance, there’s no need to change.

But objectively Arms is going to outperform in raids ATM. I don’t think there are a lot of people who would dispute that right now.

I used to be a devoted Arms player and switched over to Fury around 8.2 when Fury started to outshine big time. Now I’m switching back. The only thing I’m personally having trouble getting used to as Arms is Fury does so much self healing and Arms has basically none. It takes some getting used to.

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So I usually don’t get involved in these flame wars that don’t have any supporting documentation. So here is some supporting documentation

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-character-rankings/season-bfa-4/world/warrior/dps

Of the top ten warriors listed here for RaiderIO 5 M+ rankings, 5 are Arms, 5 are Fury. Which means both specs are viable for competitive M+ play (which is what started this whole flame war)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HxL18qyjQMBp34Xa#fight=21

So in full disclosure when it comes to Mythic raiding it seems that Arms is the way to do it. Checked through maybe 20 logs and only found a couple that even had Fury warriors and only 1 (which is linked above) that was doing more dps than Arms warriors. So based on the data I will concede the point that if I ever decide to become a mythic raider in BfA I’ll have an easier time if I switch to Arms.

However, I only asked about Heroic raiding, in which
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/24#difficulty=4
Arms parses on average higher, but Fury is still very competitive.

This data leads me to conclude, unless you are trying to be in the top of the top, play whatever you want to play based on what you find enjoyable for the GAME you play and stop coming into a forum post that had a specific question about gearing options to stroke your own ego and act like a turd.

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