It’s only in a particular cluster. There’s no GDKP on BB, yet HC found a home here, only 'cause they worked for it. It seems possible, Era can survive without it.
We’ve concluded that I can’t call it gambling even though it is lol
I love the NEED that GDKP MUST be called a “loot system” or “raid group”. Just can’t call it gambling lol
I wouldn’t call it gambling, it’s an auction with bought gold.
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Hardcore is a completely different beast entirely and removes a huge amount things that people play mmos for in the first place.
Hardcore is hype right now, but im willing to bet as soon as the streamers move on to the next thing Hardcore will fizzle out into an extremely small amount of players longterm
GDKPs do the same.
Streamers jumped on the wagon because retail is terrible and wrath is dead. If they wanted to keep streaming wow… They better had jump on the HC train. Its pretty funny actually. lol
I get that, but it wasn’t always this way. I’ve watched, in real time, them building themselves up. The community has to start somewhere.
If anything, those against GDKP should just come to BB and raid, here. But, they won’t 'cause there’s still non-GDKP runs happening in the same cluster vs BB. So, I get it.
IDC where the gold comes from, but it’s still gambling, even the AH.
Which is all still ALLOWED to be performed. You just can’t advertise it.
Except the bought gold, that’s against the rules.
I dont think you understand the meaning of the word “gambling”
And, I love how y’all conflate my quest in not wanting GDKPs to be ADVERTISED as “GDKPs shouldn’t be allowed”. That’s NEVER been my position. I just don’t think it should be advertised. You’re still free to do GDKP runs.
Thats basically the same thing though.
Gdkps are typically a system for pug groups, pug groups need to be advertised to get players.
No it’s not. In-game gambling still happens and exists. I’ve participated in them, myself. I just don’t advertise it.
Your alternative would just lead to players joining raids under false pretenses and would leas to endless drama and sketchy stuff
There’s no false pretenses. Whispers and (depending on the) Guild chat are fine. Only the Public chat channels like Trade, General, Say, etc., are off-limits.
I believe a large majority of players would vastly prefer the transparency of gdkp groups advertising right from the beginning that they are gdkp rather than joining only to find out its not what they wanted.
You’re claiming you dont want to ban gdkp but you want to make organizing them unnecessarily more difficult.
Sounds more like you’re moving the goalpost of your original stance
People joining without figuring out what the raiding actually is are just as silly and REALLY need to their homework BEFORE joining ANY PuG. And, if GDKP is being treated as in-game gambling, you can’t advertise in the Public Chat channels, to begin with. You have to fill it up through Whispers with your “transparency”.
I don’t. I’ve said SEVERAL times banning GDKPS does NOTHING to prevent gold buying. I’ve NEVER said it should be banned because I think that’s silly. I’ve been saying that this ENTIRE time. I think those who want to “ban” GDKP are doing it for the wrong reason. They don’t actually care about gold buying. They care that they’re not “first”.
I’m keeping up with the ToS. Until, Blizz changes their stance on the OTHER forms of in-game gambling being advertiseable, I will continue pointing out Blizz’s hypocritical ruleset.
I’m not. IDC for the existence of GDKP. I just want Blizz to keep their rules in order. I’ll always believe GDKP is gambling (as I’ve said this MULTIPLE times, as well) and should be treated as such.
I just find BOTH sides of the argument fallacious and pointing it out. Especially the gamblers that DEMAND to be paid for their “services”, as if their God’s gift to the world, get over yourself 
Gdkp is NOT gambling though
You keep saying that, and its an objectively false statement
The entire premise of your argument is based on something that is objectively untrue
It is. You’re bidding and bidding is gambling.
As is your position.
I have no problems with GDKPers gambling. IDC. I will call it gambling because that’s what is. It’s fine, gambling is allowed, in the game. Just can’t advertise it, that’s all 
Bidding is NOT gambling
Get yourself a dictionary and educate yourself
You place bids in Poker don’t you? Is Poker not gambling?
You place BETS in poker