Game Difficulty

[Tsunarie-thrall]

@Blackstannis-khazgoroth

For me its more that you have to independently go and research everything that is required to “play the game” with any level of competency… better go read / study an icy veins guide and get all the weak auras that the game is designed around you having

It has literally always been like that.
Do I need to go back and bring out the tankspot videos?

The whole idea of putting on nostalgia glasses saying theorycrafting wasnt done to play the game is odd. It’s always been a thing, especially moreso in previous content when heroic difficulty was highest level of content in the game. If anything the game is more friendly with having more difficulty options, mythic keys having various levels of difficulty, and alienates less of the playerbase now compared to how the game was. As far as addons, I agree with that.

I dont agree people need weakauras to do thundering reliably. Its just the easiest option available. Doesnt help visually they made the postive/negative effects above your character so monochromatic as opposed to just blue and red.

[Pyri-shadowsong]

@Blackstannis-khazgoroth

For me its more that you have to independently go and research everything that is required to “play the game” with any level of competency… better go read / study an icy veins guide and get all the weak auras that the game is designed around you having…

fully agree. it should be more like golf, where you can just go pick up some clubs and balls and tees and basically just do it really well

[Eyebro-cenarius]

Depends on if you define maintaining a 40 man roster “easy” or not.

[Merpish-sargeras]

Different for sure, but better? Doubtful.

[Boombeam-pagle]

I use 0 addons other than details and clear 20’s every season. Just because people become reliant on addons doesn’t mean they’re necessary. I’m not saying they don’t make it easier, or that they aren’t extremely helpful, but you can clear content without them. Most people just don’t because they will use the easiest method of doing so.

[Lexapro-moon-guard]

@Falohar-dalaran

@Lexapro-moon-guard

if u do any kind of research whatsoever

Don’t ya know the first thing I think when I download a game is “Where can I go to get an associates degree in how to play it?!? YEA!!!”

no?

but when you attempt difficult content u should look up stuff ur getting urself into if ur having a hard time

[Adilith-barthilas]

I dont think the game is hard at all. If a scrub like me can do it pretty sure everyone else can. The issue with the game isn’t the difficulty but it’s bad at teaching people what to do. There is so much knowledge needed to play this game and unless you actively search for it chances are you wont find any if you’re just playing the game w/o outside research

[Ohshuckydarn-area-52]

They are used for everything at this point though. Imagine no DPS meters, no Weak Auras that show kicks or prepare you for boss mechanics. No pop ups that show when your skill is off cooldown or when an enemy has cooldowns used. Even simming out best in slot gear and talents to determine what is “meta”. Look at mythic world first. They had people creating Weak Auras on the fly as they were fighting bosses. It would flip the game upside down for many.

[Tsunarie-thrall]

I mean, yeah. Compare current mythic raid encounters to even like tbc/wrath. Fights are much more fast paced and complicated. Lets be real, old raids were very one dimensional and werent that complicated to begin with.

@Ohshuckydarn-area-52

No pop ups that show when your skill is off cooldown

I mean, that isnt game breaking. It’s just like having an action bar that isnt clickable.

[Twistpriest-area-52]

Since addons make the game a lot more user friendly and most players use them it would be nice if blizzard incorporated some of the main ones like details/recount and dbm into the base game or at least had a way to tell new players about them and download them from within the game.

[Cryforhelp-bleeding-hollow]

@Ohshuckydarn-area-52

They are used for everything at this point though. Imagine no DPS meters, no Weak Auras that show kicks or prepare you for boss mechanics. No pop ups that show when your skill is off cooldown or when an enemy has cooldowns used. Even simming out best in slot gear and talents to determine what is “meta”. Look at mythic world first. They had people creating Weak Auras on the fly as they were fighting bosses. It would flip the game upside down for many.

Seriously, if you plan on using all that stuff, why not just use a bot? All that stuff is literally one step away from botting so why not?

[Arrinity-arthas]

@Cryforhelp-bleeding-hollow

Seriously, if you plan on using all that stuff, why not just use a bot?

Well checks out, no account wide pvp/raid or m+ feats.

Posters that say this usually don’t actually play the game.

Thanks for the input though.

[Noexit-dalaran]

Unfortunately, while the never-ending hamster wheel of difficulty isn’t inherently evil, it attracts the most no-life, terrible excuses for humans on the planet.

I guess I should be glad they are spending all their time with their faces in a screen instead of inflicting themselves on the real world.

[Brothesius-area-52]

You use addons? Delete all you Weak auras, DBM/BigWiggs, use only the base UI and nothing else then tell me how “easy” the game is

[Arrinity-arthas]

@Brothesius-area-52

Delete all you Weak auras, DBM/BigWiggs, use only the base UI and nothing else then tell me how “easy” the game is

Fun fact, I don’t use weakauras and up until a week ago I have been wondering where my dungeon callouts/ timers where from dbm.

Then on week like what 8 or 9 of the season I was told by the friends I run with that dbm split off into a raid addon and a dungeon addon.

So I have done everything on your list and was timing 21s and 22s.

[Brothesius-area-52]

Ya my doubt is high, plus you still using healing addons? Click over or otherwise? And if you just DPS then that’s like the only role you can possible get away with essentially ignoring 90% of the mechanics.

[Sôsari-dalaran]

@Twistpriest-area-52

I couldn’t imagine kid me trying to complete group content now.

We didn’t grow up with technology the way kids now do. If anything they are more capable of adapting and learning complex systems. These are not kids/teens from 2005, these are kids/teens born in 2015 and playing in 2023. A whole decade+ of technological boom.

[Arrinity-arthas]

@Brothesius-area-52

Ya my doubt is high, plus you still using healing addons? Click over or otherwise?

Idc about your doubt.

Who use healing addons in 2023? Mouseovers.

[Lexapro-moon-guard]

@Brothesius-area-52

You use addons? Delete all you Weak auras, DBM/BigWiggs, use only the base UI and nothing else then tell me how “easy” the game is

thats not the point bozo

the point is that this game, like many others, requires research for you to complete difficult content

any person with more than 5 IQ would realize utilizing addons and such helps you significantly

your point is non-existent

when im attempting a +20 key, and i fail, i go through and watch multiple videos and routes and see what i can improve on so that i can successfully complete the content, as should everyone else who is failing a “difficult” content

[Brothesius-area-52]

Research has nothing to do with using addons to track all the tank busters, enemy casts, interruptible abilities, ect. You pull 13 mins and get to use the new built in name plates with mouse over addon commands to interrupt. And some weak aura to track boss abilities that aren’t in the base UI.

It’s laughable that you claim it’s easy and Addons make it easier when the devs say they built the game around the fact that people use addons telling them what to do.