Fury Incarnate trailer just dropped!

Considering we know that the Titan Watchers have an interest in keeping the planet on lockdown, and the Dragon Aspects think they’re working with, rather than for, the Titan Watchers to keep Azeroth safe from Old Gods, World Trees might actually be a terrible idea … at least if they’re entirely Titanic in design. But this one has the essence of Death in it, and is also linked to rebirth.

Neomeragon, a Dalaran-sized flying tech-city where everyone gets sized down to Gnome or Goblin size when, Blizzard?

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im pretty sure it was addressed in starter quests? then explored/dealt with in a book?

i think the rest popped up when one of the sorta evil druids at the time took a bunch of twigs and planted them places. fangral?

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Fresh, new and bold storyline idea:

1 side wants power.
1 side wants to stop them.

So glad I’m just here for hats.

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Idk, sounds pretty sus to me.

Norman sounds like he’s helping Fyrrak for hats.

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the better sub plot of the story

I like the setup between Fyrakk and Vyranoth, and the general green dragon setup.

But the tree plot annoys me.

The Green Dragonflight already had an exposure issue from most of their zone being dedicated to fleshing out centaur civilization rather than exploring green dragons. Now their patch content is centered around a night-elf-style world tree that’s strongly tied to the emotional personal story of the night elf faction leaders, is the continuation of that night elf leader’s story from the last 2 expansions, and is framed as the whole night elf faction’s “Renewal” arc. (Hyjal? Ashenvale? The unspecified status of the kaldorei army and civilians on Kalimdor? Night elf refugees still present in Stormwind’s streets? Pfft, have some tree on the Dragon Isles, I’m sure this is where the night elves’ story focus is needed.)

I don’t want a new tree. Let the Green Dragonflight have a green dragon story. Maybe Fyrakk is trying to destroy/invade the Emerald Dream itself due to the Dream’s reshaping/use by the Titans. Maybe they’re trying to use the Dream as a reset button to wipe out (Titan-influenced) civilizations as a first step in their world domination plans. There are options.

Let the night elves be the past allies who show up as a cameo when the Green Dragonflight needs help, rather than the Green Dragonflight being the background helpers to the night elves’ story.

Have a night elf story later. And on Kalimdor.

grumbles

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Has not been following Dragonflight’s story at all

So Ragnaros is after a World Tree. Going back to the Cataclysm well with this one, I see.

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Isn’t that pretty much the TF2 Fandom in a nutshell? We will murder anything if Gabe gives us new hats?

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It’s like Mad Libs but they only have six words to use.

Something that occurs to me after watching this cinematic.

We never were told what happened in the Primalist Future, but considering the region is in a perpetual blizzard so deadly that unless you have specific items to raise the ambient temperature, you will freeze to death in short order.

That’s Vyranoth. Fyrakk would be a blistering firestorm (or shadowfirestorm now) and Iridikron would likely be a bleak, lifeless earthen hell.

So why a perpetual blizzard? How does this work with the new World Tree, Ameredrizzle?

Two things:


1) FROST-DRAGON GOES KABOOM

During the coming event, Fyrakk will lose control and attack everything with Shadowflame. Shadowflame drives everything it touches mads and infects them with the Whispers of the Old Gods/Void. We’ve already seen that the infusion of Shadowflame has made Fyrakk so powerful he can nearly overwhelm his sister with just Elemental Fire alone, and Ice is normally strong against Fire (Pokemon Logic works, I guess?), and we can assume Vyranoth wasn’t keen on murking one of her few remaining friends and family members, that was a very big upset to the group dynamics of the Primal Incarnates.

Fyrakk loses his marbles and starts lashing out with Shadowflame as soon as his already-taxed patience is tested and starts spewing Shadowflame everywhere, urged on by the Whispers who are hard to get inside that World Tree and claim the power within it, the melding of Life and Death and a promise of eternal renewal and rebirth therein… and in the process, hits Vyranoth. Vyranoth suddenly hears the Whispers and pushes herself to the breaking point trying not only douse the Shadowflame, but save her brother.

This ends poorly.

Fyrakk detonates as the conflicting medley of mutually-hostile energies in the situation (Life and Death from the World Tree, Elemental and Void magic within him, opposing Elemental energies from his sister, and the Arcane forces within the Emerald Dream and the Green Dragon Flight) ignite and blow him up, but also slay his sister, who had summoned her full power to try and ‘douse’ Fyrakk and extinguish the Shadowflame within him. This results in a massive explosion of Elemental Frost which combines with the essence within the World Tree and shrouds at least the Dragon Isles, if not a large chunk of the planet, in a permanent ice-age as the Shadowflame consumes itself in the explosion (Being half-fire, it should follow the theme of fire in that without something to burn, it extinguishes, hence the ferocity and aggression of Fire Elementals, they are always on the verge of starvation if they aren’t setting something on fire!) and the ‘infusion’ of Elemental Ice into that Life-and-Death seed that forms the heart of the new World Tree.


2) Return of the Elemental Lords

The plan might be to merge the seed of the World Tree into the Elemental Plane itself, re-combining Azeroth and the Elemental Planes.

We know that the Druids of the Flame are showing up in the next patch. We know that in Cataclysm, the Druids under Malformed the Deviant Art Furry used Druidic Magic to create and establish a permanent base in the Firelands, the former domain of Ragnaros and currently leaderless after the Elemental we shoved into that empty seat supposedly went missing and we just kinda … ignore that?

Erk

That means we already have two well established cases of Druidic Magic being united with Elemental Fire. Shadowflame is a union of Void and Fire. Void wants to get all up in that World Tree, which is being nurtured with Druidic Magic.

Y’see the point I’m making here? The Elemental Lords care about protecting Azeroth since it is their home and their mother. We kind of screwed up so badly that Alexstrasza decided to pre-emptively cancel the Age of Mortals only a season or two in, what makes you think the Elemental Lords won’t come to the same conclusion?

Ragnaros might spring back, only for Fyrakk to eat him in an ironic echo of what Ragnaros did to Al’Akir, while Therazane might rumble against Iridikron, unwilling to give up her throne but unable to contest his might without losing her Consorts, Vyranoth is Ice, not Water, so might get along tolerably with Neptulon, and again, nobody has seen Smolderon in years.

To prevent anyone accessing the World Tree but to also avoid killing it since that might have drastic knock-on effect for the whole of Azeroth since this World Tree is directly tied to Azeroth, the Emerald Dream, the Shadowland and whatever the hell Elune is part of, driving the new world Tree Ameredrizzle into hibernation much like deciduous trees achieve by shedding their leaves and excess branches to preserve nutrients and water during extreme cold and low sunlight conditions. This not only keeps the World Tree Dormant, but prevents anything not blessed with the protection of Elemental forces from moving freely through the are, since anything not using Elemental energy is going to stick out like a sore thumb and thus be attacked on sight by the Primalists and Elementals loyal to the Primal Incarnates.


What are your thoughts?

To be honest, I lost interest in the dragon plot a couple of months ago and am ready for the next expac plot.

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That’s kind of where I’m at, too. I like the direction DF went in, and it’s a big improvement from SL and BfA, but it’s still not super engaging or stellar etc.

It’s… fine. I think they’re still underperforming in both the presentation of legacy content and complexity of current storylines.

Dragons, monsters and heroes. The monsters being the primals or whatever. They’re kind of cool but not quite there.

I say “it’s… fine” as someone who doesn’t really care, too. I’ve been enjoying the gaming and social side of the expac on a non-RP server. I’d likely be more disappointed in the story if I was RPing more, maybe.

I’m itching for a 10.2 reveal and to see what’s next. We already know, in a loose sense, how this thing is going to play out.

The most intriguing thing being [SPOILER] Knifebae’s silhouette in a 2-second slice of a dungeon cutscene.

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Let’s just say I wouldn’t be surprised if Fyrakk took a detour to torch Thunder Bluff beforehand.

…cause Tauren also seem to be regular punching bags for Blizzard for who knows what reason.

[Emphasis mine.]
This made me laugh more than it had any right to. :joy:

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I’m gonna be real with you Gentarn, I got to the Druids part and it descended into internal TV Static on my end.

I’m just fundamentally not interested in the doings of Dragons. It’s been 13 years since Cataclysm and I’m still done with them as a narrative focus.

All I truly care about is if I can skin them for Dragon Scales.

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Yeah, look, I don’t blame you, but my faulty wiring upstairs makes it impossible for me to not focus on weird stuff that normally drifts below most other peoples’ interest or threshold of DILLIGAF.

And you technically can, but given how Rep works this expansion, I don’t know anyone who has tried to set the Dragonflight Factions to hostile in the reputation menu yet.

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Nah, you’re regular lore basement hostages. Big difference.

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Sidebar, Dilligaf sounds like a good gnome name.

You know exactly what the reason is.

Tauren and Night Elves are both connected to nature, have long and distinguished lineages, make preservation and restoration central parts of their identity, have some strength but not enough to stand on their own–they’re used to establish the power of the new villain.

You’re meant to see Garrosh Hellscream persecuting the Tauren and think “oh no, how could such a strong and noble character be brought low by this madman.” You’re meant to see Sylvanas burning the tree and think “oh no, these beautiful and peaceful creatures, what kind of monster could do this?”

But they do it every time, so it actually works inversely.

A villain who beats up a Night Elf or a Tauren is probably a pretty weak and pathetic villain. And hey, it turns out the Jailer was!

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I was thinking about the plot this morning and I remember when I heard the expac was going to be dragons, I was more excited about it then than I am now. I remember Crendor’s old video about dragons everywhere(!) zombie dragons(!) and that was part of it. Dragons would be exciting! Right? …in theory.

I did really like parts of this expac. The unusual quests were fun and engaging. But I almost always find the zone questlines to be better than the overall arching story. And I was invested in Wrathion and the Black Dragon Flight, and Chromie. It’s when we started bringing in generic villains that the plot lost me.

If they would have found a way to bring back the ghost of Neltharion and had zombie!dragon!Deathwing flying over to toast Valdrakken, that would have been much more engaging to me than Fyrakk. I just can’t find it in me to be interested in generic villain of the patch. If we’ve never heard of them until now and they’re going to be gone by the end of the expac, they’re not developed enough to be interesting. See also: The Jailer.

A character should be given a history we’re a part of or that we’ve seen for several expacs or we need to know something about them. That’s when they get my attention. The Lich King. Sargeras. Garrosh. If Fyrakk would have been mentioned long ago, back in some of the dragon-centric quests of earlier expacs, I’d be more engaged.

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This right here is why the plotlines about Tyr are the most engaging part of the current storyline for me. Not only was he crucial in the dragons becoming the aspects, the Silver Hand is literally based off of Tyr’s sacrifice. We even have a zone named after him, a starting zone no less! Tyr has been a constant background hum since WoW’s inception, so to see the veil being drawn back in a very “never meet your heroes” sort of manner is the way you weave a mystery in that players will be excited for.

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