Warriors who have cleared the raid multiple times at this point don't have a single competitive EP trait, much less two. There's 6 regulars in #arms that still don't, and each one of them is a better warrior than me.
I presume you don't realize that azerite doesn't drop from the end of dungeon chest
It's not ideal? Not at all, but neither were Legendaries in Legion. Trust me I remember the pain from not parsing when I had utility Legendaries.
But I still never threw my hat into the ring to compare my character, because of that. You don't compare un-optimized gear and preach that as the gospel. It's just not the case.
My point, as I freaking said, was that on ghuun, a boss that is literally just execute, 20%-0%, fury's actually far stronger than most people think. I initially stated all this in replying to an absolute gem of a poster above, who said that fury's execute is weaker because it has a cd. This is, in strictly speaking terms, incorrect in itself.
Yes, you were trying to cherry pick a fight. And then tune out the best trait. Hell I bit anyways, but I got bad news for you.
The top Arms Warrior right now (Vaxul) in the 20 - 0 phase of M Ghuun pulled 25,360.1 DPS in that time.
The top Fury Warriror right now (Serahline) in the 20 - 0 phase of M Ghuun pulled 23,861.6 DPS in that time.
And here's the kicker, Vaxul has 0 pieces with EP on them. Not 2, not 1, absolutely none with it. And yet still Arms damage was higher during a phase where you say Fury beats it.
So even abiding by your biased rules of removing EP, Arms still is superior.
Also I'm not trying to call Fury horrible. I just know where it stands as of now. I exclusively played Fury in Legion and I wish it was at a better spot right now. But it's not and it makes me a bit sad.
And, short side note. If you cannot get Ghuun to 20%, as the second beam ends, you are not going to kill him. Your raid does not have the dps to meet the p3 soft enrage. But again, good attempt. You're giving it your all.
Never done it on Mythic, probably never will. I'd ask if you have, but as a level 1 it would be difficult.
They can each be cleared once a week and hope for a forging
They cannot warforge or titanforge.
but neither were Legendaries in Legion. Trust me I remember the pain from not parsing when I had utility Legendaries.
You could farm legendaries. There was no limiter on legendaries. The more content you did, the more you had. Specifically, after Nighthold came out and the legendary cap was removed (was 4 per character before)
You don't compare un-optimized gear and preach that as the gospel
It's not unoptimized, it's realistic. The majority of arms warriors do not have EP, much less double EP, at a competitive ilvl, in regards purely to execute phase or for overall fights.
Yes, you were trying to cherry pick a fight. And then tune out the best trait. Hell I bit anyways, but I got bad news for you.
The top Arms Warrior right now (Vaxul) in the 20 - 0 phase of M Ghuun pulled 25,360.1 DPS in that time.
The top Fury Warriror right now (Serahline) in the 20 - 0 phase of M Ghuun pulled 23,861.6 DPS in that time.
And here's the kicker, Vaxul has 0 pieces with EP on them. Not 2, not 1, absolutely none with it. And yet still Arms damage was higher during a phase where you say Fury beats it.
So even abiding by your biased rules of removing EP, Arms still is superior. Thanks for playing
So you looked at....one log. And compared it to...one log. You didn't look at fight variables, the timers on the fights, uptime on the boss, dealing with soaking or dropping corruption, trinket procs, gutripper procs, resets on abilities, crit %, cd timings, etc.
Hint; look at his buffs in the execute phase, and his CD uses. You'll figure it out.
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Mortis
It seems like Fury outperforms Arms in pretty much every situation:
Single target - Fury is a clear winner here.
Multiple target sustained - gotta give this one to Fury as well.
Multiple target burst - okay, Arms takes the cake here. Warbreaker + Bladestorm is a nice combo.
Mobility - Fury if specced into it.
Survivability - Fury has more sustained self healing that helps during prolonged fights, while Arms has Die by the Sword, which is kind of an "oh !@#$" button. I'd say Fury has it better in the long run.
Ease of rotation - please, Fury is 3 buttons.
I personally see absolutely no reason whatsoever to play Arms. Which is a shame, considering how much fun it was in Legion.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
Honestly i must disagree with you on the single target superiority. Although i will agree that fury out damages arms in multi target but i am still able to maintain a higher damage output compared to fury regarding single target damage, in pvp and pve. But my opinion will become void in 8.1 as arms is getting a huge gut punch and fury will rise.
Dont know which is better at the moment by tables, all i know is Fury and Arms have done a complete swap. Fury is for PvP and Arms is for PvE.
I love Arms but its such a frustrated and healer relient class right now. Fury i have had little issue with almost every class match up.
Two good weapons and you actually feel overpowered in some situations where as Arms is very controlled damage. But it takes someone with less than half a brain to know to kite a Arms Warrior.
Iāve been playing fury for a long time now. I play it because I like it. I do try arms on occasion, but I usually go back to fury.
pretty sure I out perform every fury ive came up against lol.
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Personally Iāve outperformed every arms Iāve played with
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Anecdotes donāt hold much weight, considering what warcraftlogs says
gotta give ya props you are rocking it as fury! but your gear is also really nice. and I havnt cleared mythic uldir.
Two 2handers is overcompensating fer a dinky hammer.
Ye dinnae wanna be THAT lad.
Both specs are viable in PvE and PvP; its simply a matter of taste at this point.
Implying any spec is more than 3 buttons nowadays
We have logs to demonstrate where each spec performs best, so this thread has just become a āwhich spec do you preferā debate.
PS
Pipe down, shorty.
Iāve been flipping back and forth between arms and fury. I enjoy both specs at the moment. Taloc, I normally run fury. Mother, we cheese it, so I run arms. Working on Zek at the moment as arms.
is pvp just a non-factor or what? one arms warrior is almost a MUST for rbgs. mortal strike, along with sharpen blade, is also extremely nice to have in arenas.
this sentiment doesnāt really make sense if youāre attacking 1, hell, even 2 targets. iād sooner sweeping strike 2 targets before i would bladestorm them. of course iāll bladestorm because itās on a 1 minute cd, would be silly to not use it.
Usually when people are talking about classes, they are talking about pve by default
Man with those odds, Fury is greater than Sex Panther because that only works 60% of the time, it works every time.
Actually I went over that, but sure. Good luck on Ghuun.
Funny. Iām essentially agreeing with you.