Frost is saved!

Stop arguing semantics. Is this the arguing you want to do because you were losing?

Viable doesnt mean whatever you want it to mean.

But I guess you think 2h is only viable for world questing.

No, people are using 2h to complete raids. Its viable. You just dont want it to be viable, you want it to be “competitive” as someone else called you out on.

That wasn’t semantics. You said I said something I didn’t lol.
Quote me saying it.

Same to you.

I never said this either.

Say hello to my main. Also take note of her weapon.

I never said this either.
Man so not only do you have no idea what you are talking about, you have to put a bunch of words in people’s mouths to create this narrative to continue pointlessly arguing lol.

2H Frost was always viable. What’s your definition of viable? Because I’m sure Blizzard’s was 3k M+ rating and that’s 100% viable to do since DF S1.

I busted out more damage in M+ PUGs with 2h FDK than most meta class players.

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And giving the actual definition of a word and saying “its viable” is not semantics either, its you using something improperly and is still arguing the point.

I know, thats why I used the actual definition of it.

Yeah, you did. You were saying that just because its viable for world quests doesnt mean its viable for anything else.

Yeah… you literally did and everyone else is pointing out your crappy definition of viable is wrong. The one arguing semantics is you here since you are trying to tell everyone else that they are wrong that 2h cant complete content.

I said earlier I was talking about pre df. Legion made it dw only then bfa to sl, 2h was insanely imbalanced in comparison to dw. Then it got a nice rework going into df.

Im also 2h right now.
:dracthyr_shrug:

2h didnt exist in BFA.

It didnt though.

And I was talking about previous xpacs. Not now. :roll_eyes:

I was also generalizing all classes, not frost specifically.
Its like how afflic was trash in keys last season due to how the spec works. It takes too long to ramp up damage so specs like destro and demo destroy it in instant damage.

But you would know this if you actually ran keys.

Quote me saying I don’t want it to be viable. Ill wait.
You are literally talking to someone who is an og 2h frost dk and who is CURRENTLY a 2h frost dk lol.

And “competitive” is “viable” in the pve/pvp world. Especially above world content. Again you know what I mean and just want to argue semantics.

Quote me.
You keep pulling nonsense out of your posterior.

It did.
Most classes and specs did as well with the new talent overhaul that df got.

And that is just a big bag of delusional.

Frost isnt a class. And yes, you are saying that its a class here.

How about you quote what I said properly first.

There is the complete quote. That changes what I said completely, what kind of loser has to twist what other people said to try get something over on someone else because they are losing it? Thats what you are doing.

Omg more of your nonsense. You literally said that world content doesnt count in something being viable. If I said that 2h was viable, you said that world content doesnt count, how does that not mean that it cant complete the other content?

You are literally floundering hard right now and everyone is calling you out, you are ignoring those other people… why? Is it because you would have to admit that you are using viable improperly and that you mean something completely different?

No, it didnt. I dont know what stuff you are smoking but get off it. Its killing your brain.

Im not…?
Are you okay?
Specs make up classes. So if I say “class” and that I am generalizing. That means I mean ALL the specs under each class…
Come on guy just a hint of critical thinking here vs constantly trying to gotcha me.

As you fail to quote the rest of mine :joy:

I have no idea where you are pulling this thing of 2h not being able to compete or being viable from. I said it was previously and said a few times I didn’t mean now and that I am currently playing 2h frost.

And no world content doesn’t count. Literally everything works in world content. The same can’t be said when you reach middle to upper keys and want to compete with other specs.

Its literally just you failing to comprehend what I am saying, putting words in my mouth and twisting what I am saying to fit your narrative.

Literally look up the reworks that happened when df prepatch dropped.
Im not going to do your homework for you.

You mentioned this in an earlier post which I didn’t quote. You waited until this expansion/patch for 2H FDK to be viable when it’s been viable for a long time?

Mostly because I didn’t like how it played.
And dw was mostly bos focused.
Unholy just played better imo so I stuck with that most of df.
I didn’t really play it because it wasn’t that fun for me. Not due to viability or anything (Tbh it didn’t really feel viable in df for me due to how slow it felt). So I apologize for my misspeak.

I’ve been playing 2h frost since it’s return in SL.

100% been viable the whole time. It’s dps deficit to dw has ranged from around 10% at worst to usually sitting around 2-3% behind. Infact it was ahead during DF with the legendary 2h(but that was item balance not spec balance).

2-3% difference is nothing when player skills variance is easily 10-20%. I mythic raided, m+ to over 3k every season, and PVP at 2400. Never an issue keeping up or often beating people playing meta. There is no way you can argue 2h wasn’t viable since it’s return in SL

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Was it really that close?
Imo it felt like it needed a lot more haste to keep up. It always felt like mage tower feral, energy starved. Begging for a crumb of a rune and rune regen speed. Which made me swap back to unholy.

But all that aside. I have to say frost right now as a whole feels way better than it has in years. I know I was very hesitant on bos, but after hearing it’s an on use and not a runic dump… massive difference.

This is where 2h has pretty much always outshined dw. Pvp. Regardless of patch and xpac.

You are.

Why should I quote the rest of yours when the entire argument you are putting forward is flawed in the first place?

You cant follow the course of a conversation? I say you stay off the forums then, you arent doing good.

No its literally not.

There is a person that doesnt like me agreeing with me that you are totally out of touch, and there was another one not too long ago as well.

There wasnt a rework.

Wrong again.

Do you actually want to discuss anything or just want to continue this pointless arguing back and forth? I’ve clarified and reclarified I don’t know how many times and I am over it lol.

Ive already said that 2h has been viable. You are the one that took issue with it.

You disagreed with what I said on this matter.

This.
People agreed and said all through DF it was viable and did well.

And I’ve been agreeing with this the entire time. Also linked my dk who is currently 2h frost.
:dracthyr_shrug:

Like I don’t know how else we can touch on this. It’s literally nonproductive circular nonsense.

Stop engaging and you will be better off

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You said it wasnt viable.

This is not what viable means. Not to mention that you got the timeframe completely wrong.

This what? 2h was garbage prior to legion as well outside of 1 raid tier where it was “on par” with DW due to it having an 80% Obliterate modifier as well as 30% modifier applied to all other melee and even that wasnt enough and DW left it in the dust.

I have no clue where you guys get the idea that 2h was competitive with DW prior to legion, the facts do not support your claims.

No you havent. Are you insane? You were even trying to insult me by saying “world content doesnt count”.

Or they can just tell the damn truth, something you guys are allergic to.