The option for them should exist. It’s a leveling scheme that was toted as a feature introduced for Shadowlands, that you would be able to level in whatever expansion you wanted from 10-50. That feature was not restricted to just older accounts, either, upon announcement and reveals. Newer players should have just as much access to being able to play those expansions at the click of a button as anybody else.
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Why is that? I parroted the developers stance. New players should play through BFA to understand the Shadowlands story.
It shouldn’t be a thing for alts. It should just be a thing.
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I mean sure you could change the chromie time to work for all characters. Than I would say new players should go to whatever zone they want to. But with the way the current system works, new players should go to BFA zones.
But you brought up a whole new argument. You bring up Blizzard changing their mind about the new leveling system while the panda was decrying the complexity of telling newbies they can go anywhere and then explaining why none of the content was meant for them.
Explain how the Cataclysm timeline is the only way to que for Classic dungeons.
I don’t think Blizzard makes this clear, anywhere, at all.
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I think we all agree that you’re not in any place to say what new players SHOULD and SHOULDN’T be doing.
They can do a lot of things. It makes sense for them to go outside the gates and quest in Kalimdor or Eastern Kingdoms.
The quest path that was developed in November feels like it was added as an afterthought, simply because it makes no sense when compared to what a completely new player can do, especially when they ask what they ought to be doing in newcomer chat, as they do, every single day.
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Welp you have reiterated we all, and my entire post. But you point to the fact they can do a lot of content not scaled for them. I never argued they couldn’t. I did point out that the Devs changed the leveling experience to work better if they do the BFA stuff and that remains true even if they go outside the gates and quest in Kalimdor.
I don’t think you speak for multiple people though, maybe get out of the habit of saying we all unless you suffer from Uther’s mental problem in Cursed on Netflix.
Yes, you’re absolutely right: right now, this is an oral history among newcomer guides. There is no documentation for this.
Also for the fact that a returning player can party synch a friend through the cata timeline to do these dungeons with them, when their only other option is BFA.
It’s Kafakesque.
Except, even with chromie unlocked, you can’t experience the story chronologically during the leveling process. You will outlevel every xpac before you even get 1/4 of the way through it. Not even enough time to get an understanding of the xpacs overview.
Previously you could get part of a zone done to understand what its about then move to the next zone. By the time you outleveled an xpac you could have seem at least some of all the zones and have a good feel for what the story is/was.
This isn’t a chromie issue. This is an XP issue.
Which doesn’t make any sense, because the tiny amount of buildup that SL has is entirely in 50 content.
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Even if you outlevel it, you should still at least have the option to play it chronologically. Not getting exp doesn’t mean you can’t do the quest just because you want the story, an achievement, a loot reward, etc. Players that care about the story can still keep questing in those zones and at least queue for the dungeons that way.
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Yes that is the case. But I would be willing to put dimes to dollars that your average new player wont want continue to quest in an area that gives no XP, and gives no upgrade rewards, even if they are interested in the storyline. Especially considering that they would be stuck in their current state for an extremely long time to see the story. One should not have to choose to stop progression for an extended period to see the story imho
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I agree that they shouldn’t be stuck, and in an ideal world your exp would continue to scale regardless. Regardless, locking new players out of older content until they max level a character is the wrong answer and serves even fewer people than allowing them to do said content without exp. It’s like being an author that just wrote book 7 and expecting people to read book 6 and book 7 before they can read 1-5, and all because they started reading late.
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youre the type of person who responds to your kids with BECAUSE I SAID SO and thinks it is a valid answer
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I disagree, You forgot to include the 2nd argument:
to me it completes the post and the inclusion of that changes it dramatically. The post now states “you shouldn’t try to find a reason why for everything nor should you attempt to invent one that wasn’t by it’s creator” The author of this post now has a dramatically different meaning and reasoning rather than attempting to shut down an argument and is explaining the answer to the question of the OP’s problem
no, it is false. there absolutely is a why. it was not an accident. there is most certainly a “why” when it comes to blizzard allowing or disallowing something, we may not know it, as he pointed out, but he’s trying to pretend that it is as is and should be accepted because no why exists. blizzard definitely did it for a reason, otherwise everyone would have access to chromie, even newcomers. unless both of you postulate it was a mistake/oversight, in which case, fix it, or give a why as to why you’re keeping it
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Whatever the case and discussions going on right now, put yourself in the place of a guide in chat:
A newcomer is asking you, why can’t they fly? They’re level 30, they’re excited to use flight to travel among questing areas…
You really want to tell them “Sorry, flight in Zandalar is a 2 month grind.”
That’s a non-starter from where I’m sitting. Just turn Chromie Time on.
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The entire point of making new players play through BFA is to give players knowledge of the events that led up to Shadowlands. Now granted, you don’t get the full story unless you play through the War Campaign to completion, but, you at least get an idea of what events transpired.
Once players finish BFA, they can jump into Shadowlands relatively easily with minimal confusion.
If Blizzard did what you suggested, new players could potentially get confused, especially if they picked say, Burning Crusade as their expansion to level in (although why they’d do that is questionable, BC content hasn’t aged well) or Warlords of Draenor. The storyline between those expansions and Shadowlands do not mesh, so new players could potentially be confused about what’s going on.
The current system is fine and it’s really easy to explain to the newbies as well. You just tell them: “You do BFA so you can get an idea of the story events that lead up to Shadowlands.”
Done, simple.
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Agreed, though Blizzard should add a disclaimer for new players attempting to use Chromie Time stating that the content they’re going to is, depending on choice, very old, and may be tuned in ways that are considered archaic and irritating in the modern day.
I’d hate to see a new player pick Outland as their introduction to the game, where they’ll end up having to suffer through Hellfire Peninsula’s “kill 30 things to collect 4 doodads” and “travel halfway across the zone 3 times to go slightly deeper into a cave” quests on a 60% mount.
It’s not insane, the idea for it makes sense:
Blizzard wants new players to see the events that led to shaowlands, which was BFA. So I get the idea behind it.
In practice, restricting people like that defies the purpose of an mmorpg. Yes this is a more theme park mmo, but it’s still supposed to be open world where you can choose how to play.
I think new players should be encouraged to play BFA, but if they took the time to find out what chromie time is they probably have an idea about how bfa works.
I’d try to convince them to at least finish vuldun if horde tho, unlocks em vulpera quicker.
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