Friendship with M+ Ended

Mythic plus doesn’t require flasks, or pots, it requires 1 person has a key to enter, and knowledge of the instance.

Flasks and pots are entirely optional, until WAY past the point of rewards.

The same for Heroic raids for the most part sans the key to enter.

Mythic raiding might, but lets not start telling ourselves that M+10’s are on a par with Mythic raids.

As for End bosses, at 586~ on my Ret Pally the end bosses in an 8 can get kinda hairy when soloing them, the instance takes 16-20 mins as a rule, longer than most M+ plus runs, and I have to put in far more effort than I ever did with my 4~ friends when we dink around in M+ with over the last couple of years.

At 600.38~ ilvl now still can get a bit wild in a couple of them clearing out the bountifuls and I have to pay attention and use all my kit.

Not tried a 9+ yet, maybe later and maybe then I’ll need some enchants, a couple gems, flasks and a pot or two.

It’s also a lot more fun, and I walk out of them feeling a lot better about it and I don’t have to deal with a team of people who don’t talk, unless it’s to rage when someone drops because it’s not going to be timed.

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I don’t think they need to be harder, just add levels that are harder.

Keep 8’s where they are and all the others below that but make tiers 10+ progressively harder/trickier.

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I’m finally able to do some endgame content and you guys keep asking to make it harder…
:cry:

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How do you know they haven’t done any keys? Did you look at that character or something? You would assume I haven’t done any keys too huh? You should have thought it through before posting this.

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Neither have you!!! If you are gonna profile shame people, do on your main. Hiding behind a level 10 alt character is a coward move.

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It’s almost like the worst part of WoW has become all you other players… lol.

I agree, Delves are great. I doubt I’m going to bother with Mythic+ this season.

What a strange paradigm.

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It doesn’t need to be harder. They just need to not let us stockpile 12 keys before m+ comes out next season

Delves can only progress you so far. You might be able to cap at like 612-616 IF you only do delves and you will do it at a way slower pace than someone doing M+ and raiding.

The issue with delves were how they let us stockpile keys not the gear itself

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Mine too.

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M+ was fine, just never enjoyed the timers or rush mentality.

I can take my time in delves.

If the group fails, it’s only my fault because I’m the only one there.

Best part? No waiting for 45+ minutes, decline decline decline lol.

It’s gonna kill M+ for everyone except those that run with cliques/guilds.

Prepare for M+ to get even more exclusive as a result.

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Good. Keys were meant for organized groups, not pugs.


Because the only people who loudly proclaim “M+ is toxic” on these forums are forum contrarian trolls. Ergo, people who haven’t done anything at all in-game but instead sit on these forums creating imaginary things to be upset about.

So… yeah. That’s how one knows that they haven’t done any M+ ever. No need to look at their profile to know it.

Delves are by no means end game content. They’re a snoozefest.

Over 8 lvl delves should give better stuff though, weird to me they they don’t. If they’re supposed to be end game stuff, they should since they are “harder.”

Did you just said…

A Brann of soda ?

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remove the timer.
m+ is saved all they need to do.

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That would be great! Delves in the classic zones :slight_smile:

Delves is the content I’ve been waiting for.

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It’s a shame because I really loved M0.

Ran them all the time, got the red horse from Return to Karazhan.

Once the timer and affixes were thrown in, and M+ overshadowed M0, I lost all interest.

I liked 5-man mini-raids, and that was what Mythic Zeros were to me.

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never tried m0 or m+ looks like not the best time since ppl said m0 is hard lol.
i was willing to give it a go since i understand the gameplay better on my paladin.

but im not gonna do m+ when im already trying to ride my damn horsie on cd bc the dh tank wants to fly half across azeroth. getting so tired of trying to heal ppl while while tanks solos a mob and the other 3 ppl are usin their cds to catch up or die bc they missed a mob.

its not fun man. i wish i was here earlier to try it least brann gives a damn abt me.

Yup, as much as rsham is an absolute blast to play so far, I think I’m retiring from mythic+ as soon as I hit as little as 2k (I like the mount), at least for this season (and that will be soon, she is currently 1900s).

I play healer, and it really feels like this is one of the worst climates to push rating via pugging. I was pretty sweaty in S3/S4 getting 3k on 3 different characters, but I’m not feeling it anymore with pugging. And that’s okay! It’s nice to enjoy different content in WoW! I am very fond of delves as a replacement!

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Meanwhile this season is 2 million more keys run than DF season 1

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