Fresh - WHAT SOM 2 NEEDS

They could just make stormstrike hit like a sweeping strikes + give haste buff to group + no charges

Enhance fixed

I’m not opposed to that at all. But the reason I suggest removing the charge is to give Horde several unique avenues building on top of the faction divergence.

Horde Main Tanks with Tfury and a stormstrike debuff generates massively more threat, while alliance dps from blessing of salvation generate way less threat comparatively. Adds uniqueness to the factions in how they manage threat. Horde go big stick, alliance more control burn.

Giving stormstrike a duration as well makes even a single enhance shaman in a raid extremely sought after, and removes meme spec status.

Throwing in curse of elements to actually benefit “Elemental” shamans, on top of the changes to massively benefit again Tfury threat generation and boomkins for both factions is also a major improvement, without changing anything else about the classes or talents or gear. Rogues now getting a slight damage buff also balances out the disparity between full buffed BIS warriors and rogues, making them more desirable as well.

Small changes can make massively beneficial effects for the game balance.

Yup.

It wouldn’t take much.

Enhance is an obviously unfinished spec. It looks like they wanted it to be 1. Melee dps and 2. Ability to tank

Just remove charges + give them sweeping on SS + haste buff for group = enhance is automatically a raid requirement

If they did that you’d be dumb not to put at least 1 in your MT group and your biggest melee fraggers

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Another idea to make minimal changes is, change the enh shaman talent of “Flurry” to apply to party members as well on critical strike at 50% value, if you want to go down that route. That way you don’t need to rework storm strike from the ground up.

Give Enh Shamans “blood lust lite” and they would go from meme, to optimal.

Between StormStrike for druids/MT/Ele/Rogues, to attack haste on crit, and slap in a haste buff, Enh would be pretty amazing.

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I like the flurry conversion for sure

I’d take it but also wouldn’t mind if they passed

Melee are the juggernauts of wow regardless

But you can stack all that on enhance and they’re suddenly viable even without manually trying to buff their direct damage

Which is what people think are gonna fix memes but it isnt

Even ele can provide a passive haste buff on spell crits for group or restore mana on crits

And get a dps increase via stormstrike

Voila, nothing else needed and now they get to raid

To be fair, if the change to Curse of Elements and Storm Strike went through, Elemental Shamans would be doing ~35% more damage.

That in itself would remove meme spec even without the spell haste buff or mana regen buff.

Yeah they’d be sitting right under fire mage level damage early on in the game

Probably only passed once mages go fire and get late p5 gear/ignite and t3 locks

Honestly even then, ele aq40-naxx gear would probably keep them rigut up there with the average fire mage.

35% is pretty gigantic all things considered and they already did fat dam in classic wirhout all that if they had the gear

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The number one thing it needs is a two year timeline. I will not, and many will not invest their time in a server with a 2x patch cadence. One year is too short, it’s just not worth my time. Everything else is negotiable, but it must have a proper patch cadence.

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When is the fresh? Also roll back honor system changes.

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I’m sure they will make it easier to get as time goes on. As much as I don’t like the new system because the best honor per hour is killing bots and not doing BGs. The old system was far worse though, and no one was doing any bgs.

Not saying it won’t be, but the world boss coalitions/competition to get world boss tags was the most cringe and annoying part of classic. We don’t need more of it in 2024 lol

There’s less participation now than there’s ever been though… Sure you have a bunch of AVs, how many of those people are AFK, or actively avoiding any form of combat? Is bot farming really counting towards “participation”.

I don’t think the new system per se is bad. In fact, I would think that given the flexibility of the system, with no de-ranking, fixed caps, you would see players gravitate towards what is more “fun” rather than just the braindead grind everyone is currently doing either in AV or in Feralas, EPL. I will admit 500k/420k is not a “casual” amount though, although not a necessary amount most weeks. I honestly think it’s not the system that’s bad, just the player base. The people ranking right now are more interested in purple pixels or a completely meaningless title, than actual gameplay and having fun. They can finally “reach their goals” by just throwing enough hours at AV or bots. Was the old system really that much better in terms of gameplay? Maybe not. But it sure was better than what it is now. Not only that but when there are actually some WSG or AB, it’s most often alliance snow rankers that got lost on their way to afk AV, which deters anyone both horde and alliance to queue. Add to that the fact that anyone that claims they want “games” either think they’re too good to play pugs or wouldn’t want to get their ego hurt when they can’t carry 9 ppl to victory, and refuse to queue at all or without a solid stack to guarantee a win.

I don’t know if it’s fair to blame the new system for the state of PVP and ranking currently, but it certainly opened the floodgates for the people that quite literally don’t care one bit about PVP and solely want gear and title, regardless of the process.

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No one will be doing bgs when everyone playing era pvp is rank 14. Classic is only useful for seasons. I’m referring to SoM2 – this new honor system needs to be rolled back. Either way, pvpers will be playing it at the same rate. The issue is the new system will break down after 8 weeks when the entire field is gate kept by rank 14s keeping anyone that didn’t start day 1 from ranking.

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I mean that’s how it’s always going to be as long as players are able to organize themselves

Nobody is just not going to scout world bosses. There is no way in 2023 you’re just going to have an interaction with world bosses where nobody is looking for them or organizing to kill them

It’s gonna be SoM1 with world buffs.

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