There is a botting epidemic in retail too lol.
There is. Idk. It feels different tho. Gold is such a valuable resource in Classic and from my understanding TBC. Whereas gold can only take you so far in retail.
Gold is only a valuable resource if you make it one. I donât have to buy anything because I can farm or make everything i need myself. The only time I need gold is for mounts or training. The people who donât have time or wonât put in the work to farm gold in classic or the professions wonât do it in tbc either.
1 Like
Classic was fresh because it had to be. There was no toon to transfer or copy from retail.
For tbc, and just like 15 years ago, blizzard should allow copy/transfer to tbc realms, though add stipulations such as gold caps to transfer over. Maybe only allow 1000g to copy/transfer. People can bring over any toons they want and not bring enough gold to destroy an economy.
Iâd lose every thing that matters to me. When Iâm done with a game I played solo I delete the characters from my computer if thereâs not an expansion. I played Diablo II solo and when I was done I deleted a dozen characters from my computer. Iâm interested in playing a game, not parading my character through the streets of Orgrimmer. I can play classic for another 6 months. After that if they are stuck on a classic only server I could not care less if they are deleted. Theyâre of no value to me then if I canât progress them forward into BC
That doesnât mean that plans canât change if that player base is different than expected.
Iâm sorry, Iâm having issues in what youâre trying to say. Can you go into more detail?
I find it interesting that you can say your characters mean nothing to you while claiming you want those same characters to progress into BC.
I understand you want to play the game. IK youâre around on the Forums and mustâve seen my reasons given to why I donât mind âFreshâ BC Servers (not for the silly reasons others want it via gold wipe, IDC about that).
I think the important question is what does BC mean, to everybody?
Until Blizzard says itâs changed, it hasnât changed.
And obviously there will be TBC. I want TBC. Iâll play it. But the one thing Blizz has to do is keep at least a few pre-TBC servers. They promised players the chance to continue playing their characters for as long as servers exist. Theyâre not going to force progression into TBC when the entire point of Classic was an eternal place for the Vanilla timeline. As an option, sure. As mandatoryâŚno. That would make them liars on a level that even Blizzard has never reached.
So the only question is HOW that optional TBC will function. Iâve said repeatedly it seems quite clear players will have some ability to progress their characters. My evidence being the mention of the pre-patch in the supposed lead. Thereâs literally no point for a pre-patch if all the TBC servers were fresh. Therefore (if true) it essentially guarantees you can bring your character along with you. Exactly how? We have no idea. Copy, transfer maybe? Clone servers? Will they sort that all out weeks before launch and separate the games? Will it happen on launch day? Will the option exist even after TBC launches? Thereâs a limitless amount of variables we have no idea.
But set all that aside. My posts were simply dealing with a hypothetical (that all signs point to WONâT happen) that if the two games were kept completely separate that players donât lose their characters or anything theyâve earnedâŚbecause they donât. I just see post after post from people whining they donât want to lose all their hard progress. Thatâs not true. Itâs a poor argument. You keep everything youâve earned right where youâve earned it, just like Blizzard said you would. But I guess I need to stop harping on it, because it doesnât matter. Itâs not going to happen. So gratz on getting to progress your characters into TBC. That sounded sarcastic, but it really wasnât. I have nothing against that desire. I just have a personal quirk about poor logic.
Faulty reasoning. Blizzardâs thinking on the matter may have changed a couple of days after release when classic doubled the number of wow subs. They just may have decided not to tell us. I think they already know exactly how theyâre going to release BC while weâre still speculating. When they decide something and when they decide to tell us are two different things.
Yes, they are. And thatâs all that matters. Until they tell us, nothing has changed. Speculate all you want. I do it too. My issue is people claiming that speculation as fact. We donât KNOW until Blizz tells us. They may have changed their minds about the nature of Classic. They may change it again. Thatâs why they donât announce it until they know for certain. Which will be in less than a month now.
1 Like
Itâs not confusing. There are many here who think the same as I do and many of us have explained exactly why. A character means something only if I can do the things that are fun for me. Once Iâm done with a game and thereâs nothing left I want to do and it means nothing to me. Itâs not a trophy. If I can move it forward into an expansion than it has a value.
You can feel differently about your characters but I donât get how you canât understand how different people feel differently. Itâs really simple.
I think itâs pretty clear that it âmeansâ different things to different people. I have no problem understanding why some people want a fresh server. I completely understand why some want a gold reset. Just because I donât want those things doesnât mean I canât understand why others do. Whatâs your problem?
Nonsense. Iâve changed my mind many times over the last 63 years and most of the time I never told anyone. My opinion of you was that youâre reasonably intelligent. That opinion has changed in this thread. Itâs changed whether I announce it or not.
That we donât know doesnât mean âNothing has changed.â
I love how all Iâm saying is that until Blizzard confirms it, itâs not confirmed. And someone argues with that. Never change, WoW forums. 
But thatâs not what you said. Some people need to use a dictionary more often so they learn which words to use to convey what they mean.
If itâs not confusing, then I wouldnât be asking.
- Weâre not talking about other people, weâre talking about you.
- You donât need other people to validate your own opinion. If you feel strongly about your position, you wouldnât need other people to share your same thought process. You can stand on your own two feet and explain your position without the assistance of other people.
- I just want to say my characters are my âtrophiesâ, but IK you find no value in that, and thatâs OK.
- I get it, now that you explained it, in the bolded section. Thank you for clarifying.
- I do understand that people think differently. Thatâs just not the conversation weâre having.
- I wanted more clarification in what you meant. Iâm very capable of understanding.
Yes, IK this, that is why I asked. What does it mean to you, though?
Same with me. If I donât understand, then I ask. Itâs that simple.
My only âproblemâ (if you want to call it that) is trying to understand peopleâs positions better. If I donât understand something, I ask. Thereâs nothing wrong with me trying to understand peopleâs positions better and cater to their needs, too. I canât do that without understanding. Whatâs your problem?
I must the only person who has no interest in TBC. I want to play classic, still till this day, although the guild just crashed and burned.
Thatâs precisely what I said. Nothing has changed. Are you playing TBC right now? Have Classic servers been replaced by TBC servers? Have you rolled a Blood Elf?
Youâre making this argument that all Classic servers will be replaced by TBC servers. Based on what? Your personal assumption that Blizz may have changed their minds about the future of Classic. If you want to speculate, fine. But letâs speculate on what we know.
We know Blizz made Classic to offer players the Vanilla experience (or as close an approximation they could create). We know they said youâll be able to play your character for as long as Blizz hosts servers. We have them on record saying they donât mind if âtens of playersâ end up playing long-term. This project wasnât about appealing to the masses. It had a distinctive purpose for a specific playerbase.
So your view is that thatâs changed and theyâre just going to force progression onto TBC. So you think after 15 years theyâre going to re-create Vanilla only to replace it again? What about the people who have no interest in TBC? Blizz is just going to throw them under the bus? What about the people who missed that 2 year window of Classic? Wait another 15 years for Classic Classic? Do you really think Blizz wants Vanilla private servers popping up again because they take away the official ones? Come on, this is common sense stuff.
So whether you want to trust what Blizzard said (until they say otherwise), or just apply some basic logicâŚas it stands right now pre-TBC servers will continue to exist. As far as the optional TBC servers, speculate away. We know nothing concreate about how that will play out.
Stopped reading after the third (broken) sentence. It told me all I need to know about you, arrogant fool.
Iâve never made that argument. Your reading comprehension is as poor as your understanding of vocabulary.
Why would blizzard only poll the tiny group of no life losers playing endless hours of wow in their momâs basement?