The Alliance was already attacking the gates of Mulgore. Baine just chose to ignore it and favored the alliance while exiling his own people who simply dared to defend themself against the ongoing alliance assault. The quests are all still there in the game. Its not the Horde’s fault Baine decided to be a traitor to the horde. Again.
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He did nothing of the sort. He still defended the Gate as he should of. He just didn’t want to sent his people out into the ensuing battle for Vengence
That’s not a lie. That happened. Among other murders.
You mean the thing that literally happen because of Baine inaction? No, that doesn’t make aye sense. He could even tried to talk to the Alliance. He didn’t even do that.
They were stopped. But they attacked. And no Baine did not stop the Alliance. You really have no point here.
He did nothing of that. He never defended the gate. Blizzard cut off that part from the content. Stop lying and admit Baine is a trash character from horde pov.
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I didn’t say the quest didn’t happen.
I said you Strawman trying to say that was what I was arguing was a Lie.
That is NOT what happened. God, you’re misrepresenting the story to fit your narrative. If you’re just going to keep lying, I’m done with you.
They Assaulted the Gate. And Failed. Because of Baine’s defense. The Gate Held.
They only cut his Epic monologue. He still ordered the Gate to be constructed as the first line of defense and aided the Horde in Defending it.
It was the Exiles from vendetta point who defended the gates. Baine has done none of these things. Stop apologizing his Allaince simping.
Didn’t you say civilians weren’t murdered? Only the ones who stayed back to fight? Because that’s clearly wrong.
It is though. Baine hopped if he will stop his warriors and forbid any counter offenses, revenge etc. the conflict would cool down and the Alliance would leave them alone.
He was wrong.
Not thanks to Baine. He wasn’t even there and the Alliance fought on both sides of the gate.
His inaction was a mistake.
no lies detected
You’re all acting like Baine is the problem when he isn’t. The Tauren have fallen victim to the streamlined storytelling that Blizzard uses quite frequently, and they’re not the only race to have this problem. It leads to the entire race being flanderized into a single aspect of their story.
There’s only so much narrative space for the devs to work with in-game. They resort to using specific characters and races to represent specific aspects of each faction to save time. It’s not inherently bad, but they’ve leaned on it too much over the years and it’s led to a lack of nuance and other problems.
The Tauren have always represented the “gentle giants” within the Horde. However, any major character can be shown kicking butt in the Warcraft setting, which leaves Tauren with just “gentle” as their defining feature in the story. They end up being the big puppy that gets kicked when the players need to be told bad things are happening. It happened to Cairne. It happened to Dezco. It’s currently happening to Baine. Even Hamuul got roughed up during Cataclysm questing.
Getting rid of Baine won’t solve the fundamental problem of how the Tauren never get to show their badass side within the game’s story. Until that changes, it doesn’t matter who their leader is.
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That’s entirely true. The problem with Baine is how they use him. There are other Tauren with way more potential than him at that point.
Yes and no. It became more of a thing over the years during WoW. Even though there was always a part of it there for sure.
There is a thing a too much tough and with Baine they are way over that line.
My point is that it doesn’t matter if other Tauren have “more potential” to act differently from Baine or not. As long as Blizzard only uses the Tauren as the Horde’s moral compass and puppies to be kicked to show someone’s villain card, the Tauren leader will always behave like Baine currently does.
That was what I meant when I said the Tauren were flanderized over time until they only ever show up in the story to fulfill a single purpose.
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Civilians weren’t “murdered.” Unless you’re claiming ANY Civilian lost in War is “Murder” then your point of bringing up Taurajo is moot when the Horde is Guilty of doing just that FOR YEARS.
This is your head cannon.
Leading his Forces in a March across the Barrens against the Alliance is “inaction.” Yeah, you’re done here.
News flash. The Leader gets to choose when he retaliates. Not those under his command. Even if his initial reaction was a mistake, which it wasn’t, he still rose to action when he needed to.
And why does this happens? Easy, becasue their current narrative development focuses NOT on the races as a concept and as a whole, but in one or two characters who lead the narrative, limiting the development so much people that doesn´t research lore / buys side media lore like novels, etc. literally believe the race as a whole act like those “visible” characters.
Under such model then yes, the character (or more appropiately, narrative plot device in the case of Baine) IS the problem.
Lasan Skyhorn in Legion / BfA and Lor´themar in 5.2 patch would love to have a word with you.
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That’s where Baine defenders are at now.
Baine never did this. He was total inactive and is responsible for the consequences.
This I like, Having Voss rescuing Derek would have been a powerful message. Also would have endeared Derek to Voss and therefore the Forsaken. Also having Jaina deny Derek as her brother would have made him a forsaken.
The whole Calia plot line should have been dropped in favor of bringing in archbishop Alonus Faol into the Forsaken.
Baine and the tauren suffers the Same issue that Anduin and the Humans do. Because Anduin is overused by the story he counts as human representation and that he would be speak for all of them. Same with Baine the tauren are basically shoe horned into the same issue, Baines actions seems to speak for all tauren.
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It was. You’re just lucky Baine is an alliance pawn who makes his decisions that benefit the alliance from and betrays the Tauren at every step.
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But Hordeposters will clamor to any idea that insults Baine, because they’re shallow like that.
What’s the old saying? Cut off your own nose to spite your face. Those are the types we deal with here everyday.
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He’s a horde character. So it’s up to horde players alone to judge him. And it’s our right as fans not to like him if we don’t want to.
One can insult Baine all they want. This board on particular thrives on head canon to make themselves upset to justify their continued support or lack of support of this game.
But everyone losees the moment anyone implies Margatha Grimtotem should lead the taurens.
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amen!!!