You don’t have explain anything to him. He actually wants to play the “bad guys.”
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The source is the Horde immediately began losing before and after Theramore bro lmao
Thrall is to date the only Warchief from the new Horde to be fully successful in a faction war.
The human paladin jumped out in this one lmao. Some type of Freudian repression type stuff going’ on with the Forsake and Blood Elves I swear. That’s why they the most vocal with the one trick pony “KILL KILL KILL” stuff.
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why the heck would they give him one?
Um, aren’t gnomes on Ally side last I checked?
can killed undead be rezzed at all? is that a thing in lore? like, they brought back that DK in legion, right, after light’s hope and everything?
it is what it is, bruv, this forum hates baine like crazy, right or wrong or both
My eye is on either Shaw or the Lightforged
Nah, it’s gonna be Anduin. He’s mastered the art of freeing Horde members from jail and getting them to wear blue.
Thrall intentionally settled his people in a harsh, unforgiving environment because he thought his people still needed to be punished for what they did, damning them and every consecutive generation afterwards to a life scarcity and struggle.
Hypocritically, the man who begged Jaina not to damn the children for the sins of their fathers during her “Drown Orphans” bender did exactly that when he founded Orgrimmar.
Combine that with how he handled Garrosh and my opinion of Thrall has been at an all time low since around Cata and onwards.
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Is there a source for this? Here I was under the impression he founded the nation of Durotar and settled it because the rocky desert reminded the Orcs of their homeworld.
Regardless bro, the stretching to try and claim Thrall as bad for the Horde is such a joke. Right bro, the liberator of the orcs and helper of dark spear and tauren and founder of the Horde federation, the person without which there would be no horde, was somehow a bad leader. lmao. Garrosh would still be a sad moping baby in outland if it wasn’t for Thrall. Sylvanas Forsaken would have possibly been purged from the Eastern Kingdoms if it wasn’t for Thrall. Keep his name outcha mouth.
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There is no source for fan fiction, as lovely as said fan fiction may be.
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Read this: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/story/short-story/leader-story/garrosh-hellscream
Part of it goes over Garrosh’s interactions with two Orcs within Orgrimmar. The accusation against Thrall actually comes from one of his own citizens.
To the north is Ashenvale Forest, full of everything we could ever need, but did we settle there? No! Instead we live in a desert! So tell me, Hellscream, why would the good warchief, who loves his people so, condemn us to this wasteland when just up the river there is far more bounty? He is either corrupt or incompetent, or both, and you seem to fit right in!”
Right after, another Orc offers their own opinion.
“I honor my parents’ memory—make no mistake!” she cried. “But what they believed was wrong. What all the orcs believed was wrong. We must suffer for it. The warchief understands this, as do I. My sister does not.”
“That is ridiculous. You never even fought in the wars! You said you were children in the internment camps! Isn’t that enough punishment? Why should you suffer any more?”
“I bear the mark all the same,” she said, holding up her hands—green, as were her sister’s, as were all the orcs in Orgrimmar, save him. “I reap what all of them have sown. Is there not some payment owed?”
“And who would set the price?” Garrosh demanded. Her attitude angered him. Did she have no pride at all?>“Who could possibly have the right to make that call?”
“I will pay what the warchief asks,” she answered.
“Thrall would never be that unreasonable. We don’t owe anybody anything.”
Gorgonna stared at him a moment, then unexpectedly she laughed just as bitterly as her sister had. “Of course not,” she said. “You don’t owe anybody a thing, Mag’har. But we are not you.”
So sure. It may not outright claim this as Thrall’s reasoning. Garrosh even objects to the idea. But the whole encounter certainly implies that the need for atonement played party when deciding to settle Durotar, a choice that has had nothing but terrible consequences since.
But he’s changed since then. He’s changed so much, bro. The Thrall you worship is long dead. There is only Go’el now.
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Yep, it nowhere at all states that was Thralls reasoning for settling Durotar. They’re Orcs who are suffering and blaming Thrall for it. Nothing more, nothing less.
The thing is, even if Thrall didn’t settle Durotar to punish his people, that doesn’t make him blameless. Because regardless of Thrall’s reasoning, settling Durotar was a terrible idea and his people are suffering because of it.
So at best, he’s shortsighted and didn’t think living in a resource-scarce desert was a bad idea. And at worst, he intentionally chose for his people to suffer.
As the story put it:
He is either corrupt or incompetent, or both,
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As one ungrateful Orc put it.
Settling Durotar was fine when you connect it with the Barrens, which it was originally part of, Mulgore, and parts of Dustwallow. It is also fine if you establish trade with other nations, such as the Kaldorei right next to you. What the Horde endured after it’s foundation is a combination of unfortunate events and granted maybe a few mistakes by Thrall since no leader is perfect.
So maybe Thrall made some mistakes, his biggest being putting Garrosh in charge and abandoning the Horde. He is still the greatest Warchief the Horde has ever had and to speak his name in vein should be considered blasphemous.
Thrall is the Horde’s deadbeat dad. He went out for cigarettes and never came back, occasionally he calls and says he is going to take the Horde out for a baseball game, but he never shows up.
He is like one of the kids who peaked in highschool and then do nothing more for the rest of their life.
Hopefully, he will come back and prove me wrong this expansion. I guess we will see.
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LOL. Implications based on an unreliable character’s point of view being passed off as fact.
Reminder that when Thrall settled the orcs in Durotar, it wasn’t quite the barren desert it is now in-game. It was harsh, but with enough resources to support them if they worked to gather them. What we see now is Durotar after Daelin’s deforestation.
Also: Didn’t Baine just get arrested in this latest patch? There won’t be any widespread reactions to his arrest until the next one at the earliest.
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