I mean yea, if you went to the arfterlife and found out the gods use undead and a good portion of people will end up as undead anyway, kinda takes the taboo out of it
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lol it sure does. Now the real question would be, how many people will try to become undead to get an immortal body… I mean it isn’t ideal, and some forsaken to become mindless, but meh.
Its why zelling did it, Choosing to become undead to escape the weakness of the flesh is a very real grounded reason why people would do it, and i hope going forward thats how the forsaken recruit more
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Honestly, yeah, it could work if they find a way to combat the problem of a percentage of them losing their mind.
I should gear up my forsaken warlock, I RP him as an immortal lich with demonic powers and better sorcerer than voldermort because I don’t keep my soul stones in common day objects lol.
But recruitment to being undead, especially for the sick and dying, would be a great way to “reproduce” more forsaken. But I guess they wouldn’t be forsaken any longer, more like saved.
Well there’s never been one case of a Forsaken becoming a mindless undead outside rogue experimentation by Warden Stillwater. So I’d consider that a vague at best concern.
So the Forsaken basically offer you a goth makeover but the catch is you’ve to hang out with races made up of basically green Rhea Ripley and glowing eyed long eared Sydney Sweenys. As opposed to your goth woman raver local population.
And I’m sure the women folk are heartbroken at being allied with 8ft literal beefcakes who are all to a man sensitive animal lovers.
Surely this is a punishment.
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Forsaken are my brutality!!
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Okay, hear me out: Forsaken only need to consume sentient flesh to recover from injury. Trolls can regenerate lost limbs. Literal finger food. Just “employ” a bunch of Amani trolls in your “soup kitchen” and voila!
More seriously: we’ve been to Maldraxxus, we know how much farther Necromancy can be pushed. Oh no, your body is falling apart? What a shame it would be if we stuffed your soul into some stitched together, ironclad behemoth instead. How awful that would be. It isn’t like we’ve been given a glimpse of the Afterlife that would scare people into never wanting to face true death and have DanuserDeathLand foisted upon you for eternity.
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Just walk up to someone dying and give them the davy jones do you fear death speech
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More Bill Nighy is always a winning proposition.
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I see no issue with this. This is a win for all mankind 
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The forsaken will return and you can’t stop it. Sylvanas had the right idea.
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Common Benediktion W take
With Sylvanas in Uber Hell and the Valkyr out of the picture, the Forsaken could be pushed to greater lengths to ensure their survival.
Hear me out: With the knowledge they can gather from Maldraxxus, the apothecaries could develop a different type of plague or concoction infused with vaguely gesturing at general direction necromantic/undeath energy thingamabob that when the person dies in contact with that, they turn into forsaken.
That by itself would already be interesting, but we can make it go further: Those who are already forsaken could be experimented on to be carriers of a strain of such concoction that substitutes most of their fluids (tears, blood, sweat, saliva), thus allowing them to cause the bite effect.
Dons apothecary mantle
MAKE THE CARRIERS EXPLODE WHEN THEY DIE FOR GOOD, INFECTING THOSE AROUND THEM! OH YES. YES. YES.
Slight addendum, since we probably we want to keep Shdowlands as cut off from us as possible, instead of “can gather from Maldraxxus” just retcon that the RAS “has gathered from Maldraxxus” and continued to study/develop.
The Forsaken are not shown at all in in Shadowlands, but we’ve retconned bigger things for worse outcomes while consistently telling rather than showing.
I just really dont want to re-open that portal. Keep it cut off forever like WoD, nothing good comes from reopening it.
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Counter theory: Forsussy
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Point made and agreed.
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Go full mormon and have 2 Forsaken go door to door asking people if they really know where they’ll go when they die and offering them the deal of a lifetime.
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I’m surprised Zerde hasn’t popped in to make his counterpoint about how “there’s unlimited perfect peaceful afterlives crafted just to your taste” and how the four godawful realms of Death aren’t your only options.
At least, that was his counterpoint when I last explained that the Forsaken could make a lot of headway in recruiting the living to become Forsaken instead of going to the Shadowlands.
My counterpoint to that counterpoint is how the cosmology of the Shadowlands is that you DOUBLE DIE when you are killed there… and NOTHING IS PREVENTING YOU FROM BEING KILLED in your afterlife.
We killed so many of the afterlife’s inhabitants, and none of them are coming back. They are double-damned dead-and-gone.
So why even leave that up to chance? Eternity is a long long time, and the chance of you getting your spiritual throat slit increases with every eon you spend there. Especially when the system depends on souls like you as a resource that can be SPENT as what pretty much amounts to the common currency of the afterlife that is used for EVERYTHING.
Death by the design we were shown, is an ever-hungering engine that runs on the souls of the dying. Grinding souls down into fuel and changing them to suit its purposes. Your reward for being squeezed like an orange for your experience-juice is that you get to hang out in a holodeck made just for you. An eternal prison of your own design meant to hold you forever and keep you secluded from others. Why else would lovers such as Thrall’s Mother and Father not be reunited in the afterlife? Why should anyone expect to be reunited with the people they care about, when all the people we saw were isolated and under duress?
Living in the Warcraft universe is nothing but pain and strife, and I used to think that dying provided a relief to the endless conflict and carnage. Instead, dying is the real cosmic horror.
Forsake the Afterlife. Do not go gentle into that good night.
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And nothing is preventing you from dying again as a forsaken and then going straight to the Shadowlands. Ultimately, I think it would be a hard sell to go to the Alliance population and go “hey, you get to spend X amount of time as an undead in a state of semi torture before you ultimately go to the Shadowlands”.
Also, really that is the biggest issue with the Forsaken. The Alliance. I doubt the Alliance will simply let the Horde take its corpses to become undead in the service of the Horde. Heck, considering the Alliance has gotten more comfortable with undeath, what is stopping it from just letting its Death knight loyalists to allow undeath in its ranks(which it already does) thus preventing new “forsaken”(but not new undead) from being created?
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Of course not. But you don’t have to stay dead. Anub’arak and other prominent undead characters have died multiple times, but are reanimated or have some sort of magical loophole to reconstruct themselves and return, such as liches.
Just like there’s no rule you can only be healed once from life-threatening injuries, Blizzard has no rule for how many times your corpse can be re-raised.
The Forsaken concept of True-Death only has meaning if it’s possible to die multiple times. True-Death just means you’re not coming back. Otherwise it would just be, “second-death.” Instead, you can return as many times as you have the agency to do so, whether from your own power, or someone else’s who is willing to act on your behalf. The Forsaken sentence their own criminals to “True-Death” as a punishment, which can easily suggest that access to reanimation is a perk of living in their society.
So, a clear compromise is that the Forsaken don’t need Ex-Alliance humans to feed their population numbers if they can just all be functionally immortal by re-raising themselves into perpetuity, just as a healer heals another man’s grievous wounds to prevent him from dying, and thus extending the man’s lifespan through unnatural means.
Your healing and my Necromancy serve the same purpose: allowing an individual to maintain agency despite injury that should prevent them from doing so.
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Except in Anubarak’s case he was even less himself being almost a slavering slave to Arthas/the Lich King by the time we fight him a second time in trials of the grand crusader.
Maybe, but the Shadowlands had made it clear, no one escapes it forever.
Even under the assumption the forsaken can keep raising themselves their bodies will wear and tear. And maybe more importantly, not all of the forsaken would even be interested in being an immortal forsaken.
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