The Horde leaders themselves have welcomed Calia and she immediately gets an important rank in the Forsaken hierachy apparently.
Seems like the Forsaken themselves think she is Forsaken enough.
Because Blizzard forgot about her.
FTFY.
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Where?
And that should be changed. She is not pro Horde. She is pro alliance. she helps the Alliance. She does not help the Horde.
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Until the fans can make fan-fiction canon, what we see is what is canon. It doesnāt make it any less canon because you donāt like it.
Spoilers from the new book. Look it up if you want.
No one is arguing the canonicity, weāre arguing that itās a stupid idea.
And not a single thing posted, especially by Alliance posters, has given a good reason as to why Calia should be a member of the Forsaken much less have a prominent role in it.
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She isnāt welcomed. The Horde specifically hate stares at her when Lilian arrives late with her in tow.
This. But Iām not surprised that Ayaani hasnāt been able to work out the point of this discussion.
How is it a stupid idea? Calia never has shown any hostility towards anyone aside from the Burning Legion, both factions are trying to work towards a peaceful future and she wants to heal her people and try to guide them in the trying times they are in.
Are you trying to argue for the Forsaken to get another warmongering evil leader like Sylvanas so we can get BFA 2 Electric Boogaloo some time down the road?
The faction war is stupid as hell and Iām glad Blizzard is taking steps to distance themselves from the disaster BFA was.
If you think Calia is some sort of double agent for the Alliance, thatās just stupid. I donāt know what to tell you.
She literally died trying to get some of āher peopleā to betray the Horde and join the Alliance. Now suddenly, without any development outside of Naaru resurrection she is pro-Horde?
Yeah, no, itās stupid.
Also, just because someone doesnāt want Calia as a Forsaken leader doesnāt me they ALSO want sylvanas or someone like her to be their leader. Other more established characters have been suggested and they were summarily rejected, mostly by Alliance posters, in favor of Calia.
This is yet another strawman on your part.
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Never said she was pro-Horde. She is pro-Forsaken. Yes, she made a mistake and died for it. She was naive.
Calia explained to Anduin that although she was untrained in the ways of politics and did not intend for the Gathering to become a bloodbath nor reassert her claim to Lordaeron, she could not stand by and let a usurper like Sylvanas butcher her people out of jealousy.
She isnāt even leader, according to what we know, Lilian Voss is the new leader for now. I donāt care about Calia personally.
She shouldnāt be in ANY position in the Forsaken based on her history.
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Pro-Forsakenā¦ in the Alliance.
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Feels like you still have the old mindset of everything being Horde v Alliance. Itās very obvious the writers are trying to move away from that now and Calia joining the Horde is part of that, however hard it is with the huge blunder they made with how they handled Teldrassil.
Itās not my mindset, itās what happened.
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ā¦because at the time they were led by a tyrannical, cruel and evil leader, maybe?
Edit : Lorāthemar was literally dealing with Varian for the Blood Elves to go back to the Alliance a couple of expansions ago. Is he a traitor?
I canāt believe I spaced this.
How can anyone not see her as an Alliance character???
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I know Iām wasting my time on you because you donāt understand why the forsaken being rejected by the Alliance is different than Calia being welcomed by the Alliance, but Lorāthemar was thinking of betraying the Horde when the racist warchief was coming down hard on the races who were not Orcs.
After Jainaās crime in Dalaran, however, he solidifies strongly for the Horde and even states he may have to become Warchief. He has firmly, strictly, only, and objectively been Horde ever since. He has a career to back that up.
Caliaās career only backs up aiding the Alliance and trying to get the forsaken to betray the Horde.
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Or sheās pro-Alliance, maybe?
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Sylvanas was keeping her people angry and full of sorrow on purpose. This is very much in the same vein as Garrosh being racist. But whatever, Iām done here. Weāre not changing our minds and Iām a bit tired of getting tag-teamed by two people who are clear Horde hardliners and anyone who has any relation to the Alliance is tainted forever.
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What does that have to do with Calia intentionally attempting to coerce the Forsaken into betraying the Horde?
Calia and Anduin ruined it on their own. It was stupid to take her their in the first place.
We understand it. For you the Forsaken are edgy and need to be lightforged and become like Anduin.
Thatās not what most of their fans signed up for though.
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