I am only confused by Orgrimmar.
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I always hated Orgrimaars layout. Itâs really disorientating. Undercity on the other hand, is really easy to find stuff in once youâre used to the layout of the place.
Plus I love the creepy vibe of Undercity 
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I think the recent developments are mostly fine. I donât particularly like Calia or Voss, but I donât really find anything that happened recently to be negative. I think a council is honestly kind of overplayed now. We have a dang council of the Horde and now another council in Undercity. Itâs just councils all the way down. We get it, Democracy and freedom and yadda yadda. I also donât like that weâve involved Maldraxxus in this. I feel like this is something they came up with after reading the forums for 5 minutes and decided to toss it in. I donât think the realm of death should be helping the realm of life at all. Thatâs what I find most objectionable.
Personally speaking I think it would be a lot more fitting and poetic after the Scourge, and especially after Sylvanas, that Forsaken have no central leadership. It should be an anarchical society. If any society would be capable of such a thing, it would be undead zombies.
An alternative to reclaiming Lordaeron would be if Forsaken took and commandeered a Necropolis and used it as their new city. Thatâd be sick, but far too much work for Blizz I suppose.
Or the forsaken turn the Undercity in to a necropolis, and than laugh at the alliance should they try to reclaim Capital City. Sort of like Haha!! You can have it suckers, we got the only part that matters to fly! 
Or maybe you donât talk about a quest series until more people have played it, perhaps?
Or maybe donât read the forums until you done the quest.
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Glad to be going back to UC. Still not a fan of Calia or Derek. A bright / pale / light worshiping âby the lightâ and âfor the lightâ character is jarring and doesnt feel like it fits with the general forsaken theme. If she faded into obscurity I would be happy. Dereks biggest identifier being his sister Jaina makes me not trust or like him.
On the Calia thing where did she say that? not disagreeing just curious about the source. Iâm confused by her claiming she doesnât want to lead but making an agreement to give up land to a foreign faction. An Alliance faction. I agree with giving up gilneas back to the worgens and hopefully blizz re does their city for them, but would be annoyed if Calia made that decision on her own.
Honestly, I wouldnt mind. Have them take the Undercity and leave a crater which the Alliance can later fix up(see the Alliance Park District). Hell, just leave Lordearon period and go take Northrend for all I care, the Alliance can figure out how to fix up the rest of Lordearon.
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Tentatively yes.
That Lordaeron quest had several things Iâd explicitly asked for and Iâm hopeful a range of leaders could help cover the Forsaken a lot better.
But my main worry is the story will leave Tirisfal like this until after the Dragonflight expansion if not later. This is certainly a great start. But Iâm not going to be thrilled if it doesnât end or even just get to the middle until like 2026
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She said it on an alliance-only side of the quest.
Forsaken shouldnât trust a Menethil.
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Controversial opinion on nelves: lets wait and see if Danusers writing in 10.0 is good.
Iâm willing to wait for proof he can write that âsideâ of the lore well, since itâs so different from the lore he seems to partake in like Forsaken and such. Iâm more annoyed with what they chose to do now, than I am at the prospect of being ignored for a while. With how closely tied NEs are to dragons outside the MMOs writing I feel if he can do them semi right itâll be okay. (Tho im ngl the lore he wrote for Dragon Visages has continuity errors⌠donât think he realized the implications of âvisage dayâ if you apply it to characters like KorialstraszâŚ)
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She says sheâll float the idea of having the Forsaken pull back from Gilneas at the next meeting.
Which is news to me. Particularly because they just said the place was Blighted in the Sylvanas novel. Because Gilneas is Schrodingerâs Zone, simultaneously destroyed, conquered and abandoned.
The Forsaken never wanted Gilneas in the first place. They were strong armed into it by Garrosh. And until that letter nobody knew the Forsaken occupied it, and they probably wonât next time itâs mentioned as again itâs status is a field of quantum theory.
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Over the last number of years there have been multiple times when we have been told to wait. They had a master plan that would tie everything together and it would be awesome. We would love it. Then, it either never materialized, or if it did, it was lackluster. The wait will be worth it if the pay off is spectacular. I hope that both the Forsaken and the Night Elves get jaw dropping new capitals. Weâve both been through a lot over the last number of years.
edit: typo
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I have no doubt about it for the Forsaken. At the very least, despite the fact there are a lot of points on how their characters were written poorly, I get the impression that blizzard still LIKES the Forsaken, and a good chunk of them seem to be people who outright are just Forsaken players. I think the catering to them is prolly gonna continue. I do not doubt theyâll get their city, even if I think the better lore is to play into how limited the Forsaken are now and how difficult it will be politically to keep Lordaeron to themselves without a major ability that allowed them to expand in Cata. To be honest, until we see more skill in writing OTHER STUFF, I think they can just focus on the undead. Dragon Isles is the good testing spot. My only concern is that Danusers only current dragon lore is âVisage Dayâ which has⌠really morally bad implications if you try to think about the pre-established characters like Krasus. Cause I donât think he wants to⌠imply certain immoral things about Alexstrazsa. But yâknow⌠high elves didnât exist pre-Sundering and Krasus was already her consort by then⌠and itâs a form you pick when you come of age⌠they really needed someone to stop and think about that LOL.
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Thereâs an existing explanation for that particular case; Korialstrasz has used multiple mortal guises, sometimes during the same era, as in the case of Krasus and Borel. Just because a dragon has a visage they use most often doesnât mean that they canât shapeshift into a different mortal form if they need to.
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But that makes Visages seem kinda redundant. He never actually used his real âvisageâ form in any established lore. His most fleshed out identity leading a kingdom of humanity with ties to many races wasnât the form he chose to interact with mortals with per their customs.
The way I have taken to reading it is the Forsaken have kept troops stationed at the ruins of the Graymane wall and along the coast, effectively blockading any effort to reclaim the area⌠which is thus a largely unoccupied, blighted ruin. That would be fairly easy to do resource and manpower wise, compared to a true occupation.
So in that reading, the Forsaken would just end their blockade. I could see some logic in them being hesitant at giving the Gilneans back the area, as it be a staging ground for the more bloody minded among them to lash out at the heartlands of the the Forsaken.
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Around MoP we were told by devs that while Gilneas is blighted there are pockets safe enough to visit and travel through.
Also in the book in before the storm Genn says that Gilneas is blighted and a ruined kingdom, and now home to the forsaken. Iâm more surprised the forsaken held onto it after BFA.
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Theyâre redoing aboveground. Thereâre new rooms that are sealed off. Some of the towers are larger, too.