Jesus Blizzard make it happen. This leaves Arena/BG’s unaffected and gives Holy a legit DR in raid/M+ without convolutiing the spec or introducing new skills. It’s the perfect solution.
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I think it has more to do with the trash feedback we get from priests here who have 1k ios and never done mythic acting like they speak for the entire priest community when they’re in the bottom tier of the playerbase. Shadow priest community was more mature about it and posted their suggestions and the entire voidform got reformed. Almost every suggestion that was made in wowheads Holy Priest State in Shadowlands Alpha guide was implemented.
Also, stop with the clickbait titles. Holy was rated the same as it is now last expansion too and there’s plenty of them I’ve played with that blow away everyone else on the heal charts.
Act like adults and you’ll get results.
If you’re really gonna make the “I’ve seen holy priests do good, so the class must be good” argument, I’d recommend that you compare the best Holy Priests in M+ with the best Restos or Pallys in M+.
Also, Holy being rated the same as it was last expac isn’t a good thing. Staying where you are while everyone else is moving forward is only beneficial to those who just want to stifle change
Ignoring most of the trolling, again, most of the changes are nice quality of life changes. There are still major concerns with Tyrannical keys at higher difficulties that are not addressed by the current changes. This is a problem.
Most of the QoL changes have been in the baseline healing amounts of our heals because if you compare PTR to retail every heal is up 15-30% higher because they buffed the coefficients. I don’t know how this translates out to Shadowlands though because we might not have the same amount of spell power and HP might be higher so it evens out.
Also, apparently you’re able to mass dispel off most debuff affixes including necrotic/grievous/bursting.
Tyrannical doesn’t buff the HP of minions anymore I read as well which is a good change.
Note that some of the coefficient changes thus far are baking our aura into the spells themselves and zeroing out the aura itself.
What aura?
Each class/spec has an aura (catch-all invisible buff) that could be used to tune a broad range of spells and effects. There was a recent beta push that altered a number of coefficients for a number of classes by moving coefficients from the aura into the spells themselves.
Thanks for the info.
Well to be fair, Shadow priest added #removevoidform to the end of every post in the forums for the past 2 years, and the rework was promised before BfA was even released.
Stop with the anecdotal evidence. Of course there will be Holy Priests who outheal others. A good Holy Priest will outheal any other healer if the player is bad or plays wrong. I’ve also seen Demon Hunters at the top the Healing meters during burst damage because of insanely lucky Darkness procs. Does that mean they are fine healers?
I always find it funny when people come in to the forums posting in a class forum on an unleveled alt on a second account with no Posts/Achieves, telling everyone else to be adults.
The least you could have done is make your mage a Troll instead of a Draenei, it’d be more fitting.
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Same with Arena. Holy is a meme spec propped up by Destro being broken in 2’s and a complete dumpster fire in 3’s.
There are less than 50 Holy Priests above 2k in 3’s and most of them play Shadow and log out in Holy spec. There are thousands of Hpals, Rdruids, MW’s and Discs above 2k.
There are going to be ~5,000 healers who get Gladiator this season and less than 30 of them will be Holy Priests. That’t not acceptable balance.
The real issue here is that Holy is horribly balanced, numerically in every aspect of the game and Salvation alone carries its raid throughput. Salvation needs to be nerfed and Holy needs a 10-20% raw throughput buff.
Then just make Desperate Prayer grant 2 charges of Focused Will for 8 seconds, buff Renew to be worth casting, add Inspiration baseline, revert the removal of Mind Sear and Mind Blast and then Holy will be competitive in M+ and PvP.
The irony is that I doubt Blizzard would ever make Holy that good even though in order to be as good as Rdruids, Holy would need those changes, Mastery scaling doubled, DPS tripled and given a Brez.
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Druids have always been broken since I remember all the way back in BC because most of their heals don’t require casting and they can keep shapeshifting in and out of slows. Holy isn’t really designed for competitive arena play at upper tiers and Disc was + has always been superior in that regard. Greater Heal was the bandaid to the class.
Holy outperforms Disc in battlegrounds though because you can sit there and spam donky Greater Heals on people over-and-over and get very high healing a round.
Also, why are people not using renew? This is baffling to me. It heals more than rejuv per tick.
Holy priest’s problem isn’t that it’s ‘easy, so less reward!’ or whatever.
It’s because the designers clearly view the spec as one that trades utility for throughput. They are the most traditional healer - one who focuses entirely around keeping people alive. And the current Holy toolkit absolutely is a success for that design - Holy does have great throughput, every one of their CDs is focused around healing or keeping people alive (like GA). It’s super easy to hit extremely high HPS, way beyond what you’d get in similar scenarios as Disco, and that doesn’t really change in SL.
But you rarely need just throughput. A raid spot, and a M+ spot isn’t contingent on the amount of throughput you have. ESPECIALLY high end M+, which is where Growl mostly plays. Holy can clear a dungeon just fine. But so can Discipline. The difference is Discipline comes with more damage, meaning faster clears, and Barrier/Rapture, which allow for pre-empting larger pulls, and even faster clears. So long as the damage doesn’t outpace what Discipline can heal, Holy will never be a better M+ healer than Discipline. That’s been a consistent theme since Legion.
Just look at who else gets ranked high as a M+ healer. Druids, who have strong damage and utility. Paladins, who have strong damage and utility. Monks, who (as of their recent patch) have strong damage and utility.
The classes left behind here are Holy, who has no damage or utility to speak of, and Shaman, who has lots of utility, but no tank cooldown and pretty terrible damage in SL.
But the video you linked IS myopic to a top level M+ player’s perspective. Casual players are barely going to touch M+. Semi-hardcore to hardcore players will take discipline priests over holy for their M+ groups because they are able to get through it but faster. The casual and raiding scenes that aren’t doing hardcore Mythic progression though, Holy’s going to perform absolutely fine.
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The thing I keep pointing out here on the forum is that there’s way too much emphasis being put on the 25+ keystone content when only a small portion of the community is doing that. I pug exclusively and it’s hard finding any groups that are actually doing anything higher than a +16. I might see a +20 or a +21 every now and then. Probably for every 10 +15 group there’s anything higher than a +17.
I’ve done almost 30 15+ timed dungeons already and to be honest: I’m bored of them already because they’re already too easy and there’s no upgrades I can really get.
I’ve done them on both Holy & Disc. I see both strengths and weaknesses of both specs and I can do roughly the same DPS on both Holy + Disc (around 20-25k) and that requires the tank to actually be good and not being battered constantly where I have to stop and spam heals on them. Also, what keystones you got going on matters a lot because bursting just makes Disc hate itself.
You are not pulling 20k dps as a holy priest in a mythic plus dungeon 15+. Lies.
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https://i.imgur.com/TkqBw7m.png
That’s just on a target dummy and I’m not popping potions or anything. Holy can dump out as much DPS as Disc on single targets. It’ll be even higher pre-patch.
This is ridiculously easy to pull as any class/spec with corruption and crucible of flame in the game.
I should try it with crucible tbh. I mostly been running Seeds major.
Then you are lucky and running with a group that doesn’t take unnecessary damage. The upside of being disc you can DPS and heal simultaneously. Holy is much clunkier and our movement is crap.
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Did 32k with Concentrated Flame major. Was peeking at 35k. Oomf.