If half of that happens holy will be better in M+ but still probably the worst M+ healer but maybe it will be worst by an inch instead of a mile.
I’m currently of the opinion that the way it works now, Binding Heal should become an Honor Talent and Ray of Hope could come over in its stead. Not at that place on the talent tree (honestly, baseline please), but … . It gives us a usable M+ (and Raid) external that would be unique to us while leaving DR over “with Disc.”
I like the idea of Desperate Prayer giving our two stacks of Focused Will, so that it wouldn’t overly affect PvP (since if you’re fighting melee, Focused Will is up), but would give us 8 seconds of 30% DR.
I agree the legendaries right now are extremely lackluster, but get very concerned with Renew. If it gets too powerful people will spam it. It’s a trap [currently].
Everyone who says that Holy is in a good position does not do any high-level content.
Any healer can do a +15
The problem comes later.
Depending on how good you are or how good your group is, it is possible to do a +20.
After that point it is impossible. I guess only the true 1% of Holy Priests can complete a +23 ~
I can’t, it’s out of my league.
We just don’t have the tools and we don’t have the damage.
Nor do we have healing.
In raid the situation is different.
If it’s by numbers I think we can compete against other healers.
The problem is when you have to do certain mechanics. Druids, paladins, and monks have the means to survive these mechanics.
I dont care that holy sucks at doing damage. I think it makes sense for the spec. However, it would be nice holy had a way of buffing other people, but it would probably need to be attached to PoM or something so it cant be put on an entire raid.
Holy brings nothing but throughput so blizz really needs to double down on that and give holy the best throughput by a long shot.
I’d love renew to be buffed. I feel like it just needs to tick faster.
I agree with the thoughts on mobility and defensive cooldowns, we need more of each
Weirdly , I’d be okay with being the bottom tier healer if we had a nice modern revamp of our spell animations. Just a sucker for eye candy, if the spec remains boring and weak , it might as well be flashy and full of visual happiness 
Holy Paladins have some pretty animations… jealous
In last place for the 4th year in a row: Holy Priest (and the crowd goes wild) !
But I get to self-rez once before I’m 1 shot again by a stiff breeze
Sounds pretty powerful to me !
Told y’all Blizzard won’t be able to balance Holy as it is with their current vision for M+.
They either need to curtail M+ or insanely buff Holy, or give it a complete redesign because it just flat-out sucks. Whatever dev(s) thought this iteration of Holy (from Legion and on) was a good design should seriously be fired.
When I last played during WoTLK: Binding Heal was already a trash heal and when I came back it still looked like one so I never bothered digging into how it performed in previous expansions. The problem with Binding Healing is that it does too little healing. If they made it heal just as much as a Flash Heal, but on a cooldown it’d probably be more balanced.
However, Surge of Light is just… too damn good to pass up. It procs a lot. Sometimes it procs into a proc into a proc. It also builds up when I am dpsing. Really this thing should be baseline.
With Renew though because I feel it’s actually fairly good in its present state. It heals more per tick than Rejuvenation due to it getting more spell power. I’m not sure if I am going to touch Enduring Renewal though, but we shall see.
I am looking at all these animas, soulbinds/conduits, legendaries, and it’s a lot to digest. The animas look cool, but they’re only restricted to that one dungeon.
Cap the max level you can do M+ IMHO. Should be at +20. Beyond +20 it’s just like a speedrunning community. Only the top 1% or w/e are going to try and compete and they aren’t pug friendly.
I started moving up to +18s and did a +20. They’re much rougher than +15s. And there’s not really a lot of groups running them because people downrank their keys or just don’t see the effort going up that high.
I’m very concerned, but I think it’s too early to say “won’t.” There’re still more weeks left for tuning, for them to tweak, and things are changing week to week. There could still yet be some Salvation [hah] pending.
Why would they cap them if the majority of the community doesn’t do it? No need to punish people who enjoy running 20 and up keys.
There seems to be a large effort on this forum to disenfranchise the high end players
Holy is really about to be the worst healer for the 3rd expansion IN A ROW.
How is this ok???
Capping M+ won’t save Holy. You know what will? Changing the idea that healers must be pressing their damage spells almost as often as they’re pressing their healing spells; that mentality is the root cause of all of this.
But if you want to keep M+ the same way, then something has to change. What happens to Holy right now? Here’s the devs answer: “Here’s your 8 button healing rotation Holy, and here’s your 8 button damage rotation on top of that 
ENJOY!” (slight exaggeration)
Meanwhile, Disc Priest and Holy Paladins have hybrid spells that can both damage and heal. Hell, smite for Disc adds an extra absorb yet Holy gets left out of that. This is the very reason Holy will never be on par with Disc or Holy Paladin. LACK OF HYBRID SPELLS AND THE COMPULSION TO DPS.
Smite is losing its DR debuff and its being moved over to mind blast. So, itll have less uptime in theory and less reapplication due to the CD on mind blast.
Holy and Disc both don’t do great in M+. Holy is just at a substantially worse toolkit around it. There seem to be a lot of great options floating around the forums on feedback on this, it just depends on what blizzards roundtable on listening to our feedback. Hopefully something changes. Holy needs DR + a decent DPS rotation and stronger healing throughput, and hopefully they listen.
An alternative to Holy without increasing the number of buttons, is that X% of the mastery becomes DPS.
In the same way that we leave a HoT in the allies, it also becomes a DoT in the enemies.
Damage increases or decreases based on the number of enemies.
Damage per enemy, but the total damage is the same.
Did you even watch the vod OP linked? Disc priest is literally the #2 healer behind resto druid (of course 
).
Though this is likely to change as the Expansion progresses. Disc scales better in Raids than other Healers, so if Blizz is just as lazy with Balance in Shadowlands as it was in BfA, then expect the inevitable Disc Raid nerfs to make it play like crap in M+ come 9.2-ish.
The video also states that with stat scaling, others are likely to go up the list. Which leaves room for us to go down as we usually do as everyone progresses.
Disc will always start out strong because of its utility and damage it brings. It always seems to get outpaced by other healers as we start to get heroic-mythic ilvl gear. Look at the end of BFA as an example - significantly outpaced by Rdruid, Hpally, and MwMonk.
Well, end of BfA isn’t a really fair example. They introduced Corruption, which was obviously not tested much if at all, and they completely gave up on Class balance to focus on Shadowlands.
They completely neglected the game, so the end of BfA is WoW at its worst, it is the kind of thing Blizz criticized other game companies for before they sold their souls to activision.