If you expect raids to be anything besides master loot, you are not going to be doing any raiding.
I guess me expecting 5 mans to have equality when it comes to a group is me being entitled or being a rock for the group. Okay…
Have fun with that.
At least as a tank or healer or I won’t have to deal with that crap as I will be the one in demand, not dime a dozen dps.
For a guy that doesn’t
You make quite a lot of it. I’m honored.
During my quest for Ironfoe on 3 Warriors, and Felstriker on one of them, I probably handed out over 500 Hand of Justices to lower level Rogues, Shamans, Paladins, other Warriors, and a few Hunters. I also probably handed out over 250 pairs of Truestrike shoulders to other players as well. I ran a tight ship with great friends that I paid when each Ironfoe dropped. I also routinely ran extra full UBRS clears for people doing their Onyxia chain who politely asked me if I’d be ok clearing to Drakkisath for them.
While I personally never enjoyed reserving items, I did it. I also did it in Stratholme Live for Righteous Orbs. I never did it in retail Vanilla on my Warrior or Rogue but when it began happening back on Nost, I saw no issue with it. I’ve known Rogues who have done 150+ Scholomance runs without seeing Cadaverous drop once, so I understood it.
I do think it is an entitlement. I don’t think it is selfish if you are willing to help others (a) do quests or (b) pay people when the item drops. Only 1 of my Warriors had both Ironfoe and Felstriker, and when Felstriker dropped, I paid that particular group 100g each. Yeah, 900g. I actually paid a Mage and Priest friend who helped on over half of the runs 250g each. Both would back me up and say I did more than reserve an item for myself. I helped attune maybe 50 people for Onyxia, let a Druid skin The Beast and backed him up when the Hide dropped and everyone wanted to roll on it.
Not everyone likes reserving, and if no one did it, you would still more than likely find guild runs where people are hunting for specific items. But if you want to blame anyone, blame Blizzard for implementing a culture of me-first gamers who disregard their peers and flat out expect gear. The entitlement was built and is predicated on self loot, bonus rolls, vendor epics, and a culture that dismantled the communal aspect and soul of Vanilla WoW. As much as I would love to go back to 2004-2006 WoW, where we all simply rolled and said “grats” or “damn it…”, the times have changed. People are entitled.
You either have to communicate or barter with people, form your own groups and stack accordingly or, if you’re a solo soul and want to pug 4 others, reserve that last piece of pre-bis, or that flask recipe, or that cool item. If I’m running a dungeon, I’d rather make friends than enemies. In any of these scenarios, communication and politeness is key. 2/3 of the time you still might get burned if you don’t outright master loot and vocalize that you are going to do so.
It’s a shame, but I imagine it is here to stay.
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This is how I look at it.
When on my rogue I don’t bring other rogues or druids that would compete with my gear.
When on my druid I’ll do the same, or inform them that I want exp or just a specific 2H weapon they cant use etc.
This. It mostly wasn’t a thing (at least on my server) in vanilla/BC because groups were hard enough to come by that you didn’t want to do anything to turn potential members off.
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Loot politics was a big deal in classic WoW. Blizzard stepping in and fixing it would cause more damage ![:cry:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/cry.png?v=6" ":cry:")
Obviously raids are ML…
Dungeons no way
meh. honestly if people make their own runs they can choose the loot rules as long as they are agreed upon before the run.
if you join a run and agree , its your fault if the ml does what he says hes going to do and you get mad.
more choices is better in this situation.
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I’ve never done that but I kinda want to try it.
Only if I am tanking, with tradable loot it kinda worries me about getting into groups of people who ninja for friends.
If they do, you leave the group and never group with them again. Only real way to deal with it; Blizzard isn’t going to enforce informal agreements, even ones as basic as “don’t be a ninja.”
Theres nothing wrong with reserving an item.
Why do you care so much about something that doesn’t affect you? Just don’t join the group or make your own.
I’ve joined countless reserve groups in the past because I’ve had dungeon quests i needed to complete. If passing on a few items is the upfront cost of that its completely fair. If i wanted a specific item i would make my own group or join one that has it on roll.
Your attitude is the childish kind that caused current retail. I hope you stay away from classic.
It bothers me because this is the same type of behavior that put retail where it’s at today
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Why would you want a 1h on a Ret paladin?
I would think you’d rather get HoJ? Or you planning on getting both?
This guy made a long post, but it’s worth reading.
I said my share of “good roll”. Honestly sometimes felt guilty rolling need and winning it when multiple people actually needed it. Back then you needed that certain level of dungeon blues just to be considered even for a raid on farm.
just don’t join thier groups. Ill roll freely against anyone for item i want. I wont play with reserved silliness
That was just some fun to make people cringe. Just troll fishing. I would never willingly take Ironfoe from any Rogue or Warrior as a Paladin. I’ve done that grind on 3 Warriors and know full well how long it can take.
But there is a case to be made for certain builds to utilize 1h as Ret. I’ll find a YouTube video and follow up here. There was some guy who posted stuff from Naxxramas raiding back in 2005-2006, and he was crushing the meters using a 1h.