how do you feel about spamming lightning bolt now?
At least when we had to spam lava burst, we had more procs of Lava Surge and could activate it with using a spender. Now, with how bad haste is, you feel like you’re just casting forever. The pacing of all casters, not just shaman feels like we’re moving in slow motion.
It also doesn’t help that we got nerfed twice with our spenders costing more and our builders generating less, a really bad type of inflation.
Anyway, final notes here are, you just traded spamming one ability for another, and now everything is slower. Please give us back windspeakers lava resurgence and let us have an instant cast after our spenders, please and thank you
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You can still play lavaburst build… it works well in heroics and pvp, much better in pvp than lightning.
As for casting, thats why theyre called casters… if i wanted to spam instant abilities id play hunter or melee. I can still rattle off plenty of insta lavabursts, except now i also have some lil spirit dudes doing it for me as well, and im not mashing the hell out of the button because were overproccing
Windspeakers was nice, but firing off damage to drop someone 100-10% with icefury + insta lvb + es firing off a EB is huge damage.
fine thanks
like every start of the expansion , low haste levels sucks but its nothing new.
It was pretty trash post rework /nerf the week before launch of the new expansion in bis 528 gear tbh. Fire build that is.
You mean spamming chain lightning ?
Yeah its crap. 1 button is 60% of my total damage
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Awful despite Ele being one of the more powerful specs right now, which is why there will be a good number of people who are going to be fine with it. Part of the reason Season 3/4 meatball spam was hated was because is it was a spam build that did average damage, especially once you compared it to Enhance. RIP Farseer Fire which had you doing a good number of other things on top of lobbing meatballs.
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There will certainly be balance changes in the next couple of weeks, but yes, the lightning build is truly atrocious, It’s what happens when Blizzard half bakes a class rework then does absolutely no iteration on it.
I am just not playing shaman for this season. Maybe by next season Blizzard will finish the rework, but I’m doubtful.
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0 iteration on hero talent 0 iteration on class talent… just number tuning thx blizzard for the placeholder.
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we have different views on being a caster. I don’t need to have all my casts be instant, but it certainly is more fun for me to have procs that make my casts instant. As for not mashing the button, we just changed it for a different one and having “too many procs” is not a real problem at all for those who like a faster gameplay and don’t miss as many casts as those who play slower. Personally, I never thought that S3 & S4 DF Elemental had too many procs, it was just right and there was always something to press instead of waiting. Telling someone to play a different class entirely if they want to spam abilities doesn’t really make sense to me. I play ele shaman because I like the class and spec and the visuals of elementals, hunter has objectively worse visuals
People find pacing of different specs on a pretty wide spectrum. For example, I think ret paladin is way too fast, but I also don’t know what I’m doing on Ret. that fast pacing makes me want to learn the spec even better, not just say that my hand or finger hurts. Although ret does press a few more buttons so the comparison is not exactly 1:1 but goes along with how fast some specs play.
and I did already swap to a fire build for some content to play with it and it felt better. the point of the post is to ask nature build players how they felt, but for the people who prefer the procs of fire, like me, we want it to be faster paced
The lightning build at least has the benefit of having Storm Ele with reduced CD’s and the more you cast lightning bolt the faster the casts get.
My thumb is thankful that I’m not destroying it spamming lavaburst as fast as possible and hardly any other button. I would rather take a cast. Plus lightning looks way cooler than spicy meatball. I’M NOT A MAGEEEE.
Though I wish they would increase maelstrom generation from LB at least a little bit.
if you have your storm elemental out, and you have lightning bolt bound to your thumb mouse key, how is that any different from S3 and S4 of DF? And if LB generated more maelstrom, that leads you to hitting your ES or EQ more. You’re basically describing the rotation from last season except changing Lava burst for lightning bolt, right?
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Sorry, but this is completely incorrect. Perhaps in prepatch it was like that, but not live at lvl 80. Now max lvb dmg is around 600k and that’s with literally everything going. Icefury is critting for about 600k and earthsock for 1mil. This is approx 20% of someone’s hp bar.
Incorrect. LB has a cast time, it’s not mashed like a spaz on speed like fire build. A little bit more maelstrom generation wouldn’t make lightning built anything like lava spam since the resource build up is very slow right now.
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Maybe in AoE, you could spam Insta cast Lava Burst from the sheer amount of Lava Surges with multiple Flame Shocks, but you still had to do a good number of hard casts of Lava Burst in a single target. Also, the number of Lighting Bolt cast you can do in an Epoch of time is vastly more than what we were doing with the Farseer Fire Build before the Nerfs.
And we are spamming the ever-loving hell of Lighting Bolt just as much as we were spamming the ever-loving hell out of Lava Burst with Season 3/4. Any moment you are not CDRing SE, Pwave, or Ancestral Swiftness is a significant DPS loss. It’s Lighting above all else, just like how Season 3/4 made it Lava Burst.
The issue is that if we were getting more Maelstrom right now then we would become so overpowered in AoE playing Stormbringer from the sheer number of Tempests into Arc Discharge casts that we’d be able to pump out. If they bump up the Maelstrom generation, I’d imagine they would further Nerf Arc Discharge and the damage from Tempest and Chain Lighting. I want it to generate more Maelstrom however to make so we’re Earth Shocking more in single target.
How is it any better that it has a cast time? Lava Burst build was slowed largely due to GCD, Lightning build with Storm Ele out is again slow led largely due to GCD.
Just because you are casting it does not mean they are effectively the same. More and more Haste will make it a lot more noticeable, but all that had happened is we traded one evil for another. I’m still smashing one button until a CD is up.
I will say that thanks to Flash of Lightning we are pressing maybe a wider variety of buttons in a standard rotation, granted that wider variety is you press Storm Ele and Stormkeeper more because of the CDR.
I have a full pvp geared shaman - these are numbers pulled from my details
Currently Burst window contributions are -
icefury - 262k - 735,762k
fire elemental damage (varied, averages 92k dps 300k meteors)
Earth shock 606k - 1.2 mil
lavaburst 345-512k
elemental blast 615k - 1.2 mil
ancestor lvb - 190k average
So going back to the numbers:
Lavaburst - 500k
Icefury - 700k
frost shock - 296k
Ancestral swiftness - > Lavaburst 500k (ancestor 190k)
Earth shock 606k
EB - 615k
In a burst window with minimal crits/OL procs - 3.4 mil
with crits/procs >5 mil.
A fully pvp geared dk has 6.6 mil hp right now.
Yeah I don’t give a dam about PvP at all so I don’t care what’s strong there. You could just spam frost shock in PvP and nothing else and it wouldn’t matter to me.