Flying the not so friendly skies

[Sasarai-blades-edge]

Not if you flying to the air and spiral down when you get to 2 or 3.

I have many double gatherers and never run out

[Misanthra-old-blanchy]

I don’t think they have had older kids yet either.

Our 13 year old doesn’t need us as much as when he was say 8.

Like most teens he slinks off to his room. that magical age…kids jsut aren’t as apt to hang out with the rents anymore.

And you get the drive by hey dad/mom things lol. that for me is what small quick stops are for. hover, listen, advise. then he leaves.

[Dangerz-dalaran]

Remember wotlk where cold weather flying was 5000 gold…oof that was bad

[Vorastrix-ravenholdt]

There are a FEW herb nodes that are within the environment but this…yeah, between herbalism, mining, exploration packs, and disturbed dirt, there are WAY too many “ooh, lemme stop for a moment!” that just turn into “OH COME ON! THIS IS BULL!”

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

This is an opinion that you are trying to make a fact, just like I have the opinion that part of pathfidner was indeed a punishment but not all of it

Pathfinder always contained what you admitted was the punishment part. We never once had pathfinder without the punishment. Therefore, it was a punishment every time.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I understand it fine

No you don’t. You want to piece mill pathfinder like it was some pick and choose buffet. It always contained the time gate and it was always a punishment.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

THERE WAS FOR THOSE OF US THAT COULD LOOK AT THE PARTS THAT MADE UP PATHFINDER AS JSUT THAT, PARTS.

There was no “parts” there was only the “whole”. You could just choose to do the achievements and say oh I’ve done what was asked now let me fly without the time gate. The time gate was always there and always a part of it. That’s why it was a punishment.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

If pathfinder as a whole was a punishment to you, fine, but but continuing to push me to accept your reality as my own, when I don’t share all of the same views, just makes you out to be “if you don’t agree with me fully, you are an idiot” type of dingbat.

Tell me exactly how pathfinder could not be a punishment when it has always contained the punishment element?

@Antiman-bloodhoof

because even though there was no pathfinder without a time gate, for me there was also nothing but the time gate that I felt was a punishment.

And the time gate was always there. The punishment was always there.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

or in this case one man’s punishment is another man’s reward". I saw flight during pathfinder as a reward for hard work and, truthfully, more patience then anyone should ever have.

You even admit that the time gate was a punishment and still you want to change your stance and claim it was a reward?

@Antiman-bloodhoof

So Why are you refusing to accept the fact of “different strokes for different folks” and making like “the only people who are people are the people who look and think like you”?

Because you’ve said multiple times now that the time gate was the punishment part of pathfinder, there was never a pathfinder without a massive time gate. You can’t have parts without the whole.

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

@Dangerz-dalaran

Remember wotlk where cold weather flying was 5000 gold

Cold weather flying was never 5k gold. Cold weather flying was 1k then reduced to 700.

[Ataxerxes-dalaran (Ataxerxes)]

@Lucrend-thrall

Cold weather flying was never 5k gold. Cold weather flying was 1k then reduced to 700.

This was fifteen years ago and I’ve slept since then, but I remember Cold Weather Flying being moderately spendy. A thousand was probably a pretty chunk back when.

[Turok-blades-edge (Turok)]

@Cøma-pagle

Gathering is now a major pain

so let me ask you this. how would you be gathering without dragonriding? you’d be on a mount walking everywhere cause you wouldn’t have flying this early in the xpac. and that would make gathering a major pain.

think before you drink.

[Handcake-hyjal (Handcake)]

@Vulpeslupus-moon-guard

And just like that the pro dragon riding cultists attack and belittle the OP just for having a different opinion than theirs. Really shows just how selfish and awful this so-called community has fallen.

We are all allowed to have an opinion about something and to not be attacked by others for having it and yet everytime these threads pop up it is the same white knight cultists who are the attackers.

Whether you like it or not regular flying is coming and when it does then we shall see just how popular your precious dragon riding really is and for so long I refused to think this but because of this selfish cult like attitude I hope they leave dragon riding in DF then all you cultists will be the ones feeling what it is like to be attacked.

I agree with you.

I personally find dragonflying to be great in that we get it right away…looking at the massive time sink that goes into getting flying in BfA and SL, man…just that alone, I’ll take some type of flying ASAP once the xpac is out. (I find the need of Ion to make people jump through so many hoops to fly just a huge disconnect between what the players want and how the developers treat them.)

The actual dragon flying itself though: I’ve posted this on a few places. It just doesn’t sit with me visually. If they can make it so it doesn’t make me dizzy if I go super fast, I might be able say “yes this is amazing”. I don’t like that it goes so fast, and I am sure I am not alone. I also don’t like my dungeons to be zoom zoom zoom. I get it, min/max want to max their time in game for the most efficiency. I just want to have fun and looking at the scenery when I fly is fun.

We have flight paths…I just them a lot when i want to get somewhere quick and want to AFK. So really, people talking about “slow mounts” being a negative…not to me and I know reading this thread there are a lot of players like me.

I also don’t like the limited vigor. I hope in later patches we do more quests or something and that gets maybe 3 more spots. 9-10 vigor or an actual vigor bar 0-100 would make it a lot more comfortable to those that mine/herb and grab every node. I know the min/max skip the trash nodes, but if everyone did that, you wouldn’t get nice nodes to spawn.

Anyways, I don’t see why the white knights have to trash the OP. An awful lot of people hate dragon flying. How about instead of smashing them down, find out exactly why and maybe push the devs to work on making it better?

[Caelin-boulderfist (Caelin)]

It is really much better with the recent updated to the vigor regen buff after gather herbs or mining. That was really my only issue with dragon riding and with that addressed I wouldn’t mind seeing this mechanic as the future of flight going forward.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Lucrend-thrall

Tell me exactly how pathfinder could not be a punishment when it has always contained the punishment element?

I have been, but because you are STCUK on the punishment part, let me break it down. I enjoyed the leveling, I enjoyed the questing, I enjoyed everything but the time gate. The time gate for me was indeed a punishment, but it also to the form of “one sometimes has to deal with things they don’t like to do what they like”.

For pathfinder as a whole to be a punishment for ME that would have meant the time gate would have had to interfere with my enjoyment of the other parts. It did not, but then I CHOOSE not to let ONE part drag it all down

@Lucrend-thrall

You even admit that the time gate was a punishment and still you want to change your stance and claim it was a reward?

Change stance? no, but for me FLIGHT was indeed a REWARD for ENDURING the punishment of the time gate while enjoying the other parts of pathfinder, I.E. it was a kin to having that sweet desert after having to eat rhubarb or Brussel Sprouts, in this case in addition to the meat, potatoes, etc that I like.

@Lucrend-thrall

You can’t have parts without the whole.

But you can CHOOSE to focus on the parts you enjoy and accept or deal with the parts you don’t. I did not like the time gate, hence the time gate, and ONLY the time gate was punishment for me,

@Lucrend-thrall

You want to piece mill pathfinder like it was some pick and choose buffet.

No, that was your take on what I was saying, when in FACT for ME, it was more a kin to “in every life some ran must fall” and “you sometimes have to take the bad with the good”. I just choose to take the good and enjoy that while pointing out the bad that I did not like. The only “choice” I ever made was what I was going to focus on and just deal with the rest.

I have long accepted that pathfinder as a whole was indeed a punishment for you and others. What I don’t get is why you keep insisting that pathfinder was a punishment for ME when I DON’T see it that way. for reasons I have listed time and time AGAIN.

Give me a reason why I should accept your views as fact/truth for me when they are not for me though I have admitted they are for you.

@Handcake-hyjal

Anyways, I don’t see why the white knights have to trash the OP.

Likely because ones like the OP trashed them before, not on this subject perhaps but still trashed them. A lot of people hate DR, but a lot of people like DR, we really should work together, but no one really seems to want to be the “bigger person” and let the past go in favor of a better future.

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I enjoyed the leveling, I enjoyed the questing, I enjoyed everything but the time gate.

All of these things existed before pathfinder. So you enjoyed playing the game, yes most of us do.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

The time gate for me was indeed a punishment

And it pathfinder never existed without it so OVERALL it was a punishment. Literally the rest of pathfinder was PLAYING THE GAME as we’ve done for years prior to pathfinder. They literally slapped some achievements on regular activities then put it behind a massive time gate. The whole thing was a punishment.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

but it also to the form of “one sometimes has to deal with things they don’t like to do what they like”.

No, a video game that is to be played for fun should not have any kind of garbage like that in it.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

For pathfinder as a whole to be a punishment for ME that would have meant the time gate would have had to interfere with my enjoyment of the other parts. It did not, but then I CHOOSE not to let ONE part drag it all down

“If you ignore the punishment part it’s not a punishment”. You make no sense.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

but for me FLIGHT was indeed a REWARD for ENDURING the punishment of the time gate while enjoying the other parts of pathfinder, I.E. it was a kin to having that sweet desert after having to eat rhubarb or Brussel Sprouts

Again, this is a video game to be played for enjoyment. You shouldn’t have to “suffer through” or “endure” anything.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

But you can CHOOSE to focus on the parts you enjoy and accept or deal with the parts you don’t.

If you took the pathfinder achievement out of the game, every single element of pathfinder is still there. It’s always been there. It’s how wow has played for years before pathfinder even existed. Pathfinder was nothing but a punishment.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I did not like the time gate, hence the time gate, and ONLY the time gate was punishment for me,

So in other words pathfinder did punish you.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I just choose to take the good

The good was always there and existed before pathfinder. Pathfinder was just created for punishment. If it disappeared from the game nobody would even notice.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

What I don’t get is why you keep insisting that pathfinder was a punishment for ME when I DON’T see it that way.

Because of this:

@Antiman-bloodhoof

The time gate for me was indeed a punishment

You’re so contradicting.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

Give me a reason why I should accept your views as fact/truth for me when they are not for me though I have admitted they are for you.

Pathfinder never existed without the time gate and by your own words:

@Antiman-bloodhoof

The time gate for me was indeed a punishment

Pathfinder as a whole was a punishment.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Lucrend-thrall

“If you ignore the punishment part it’s not a punishment”. You make no sense.

Who said ignore, the time gate was there and I HATEFD it, often REQUESTNG it be removed,

@Lucrend-thrall

So in other words pathfinder did punish you.

With that ONE part, nothing else.

@Lucrend-thrall

Pathfinder as a whole was a punishment.

Only to idiots that could not look beyond the time gate… I was punished by the time gate, but I was also one that PUT FORTJH AN IDEA SIMILAR TO PATHFINDER, Blizzard monkey pawed ideas like mine.

For me, pathfinder was: 90% things already in game, 10% the time gate. Why should 10% which was indeed a punishment make the other 90% a punishment as well?

Really, I have admitted that the time gate was a punishment, but Pathfinder was MORE then the time gate.

I asked for a reason why I should accept your views as fact/truth for me when they are not. You just regurgitated what has been said.

A possible reason why pathfinder as a whole could be a punishment for me might be, not the time gate, but because it forced me to do the quest/story lines when/if I was one that just wanted to sit in the capital/garrison and run dungeons to max level.

I’ll end this now by just saying, as far as pathfinder as a whole being a punishment, we are best off agreeing to disagree. It was not a punishment to me because it did not feel like one in spite of the time gate, which did feel like a punishment. I have stated my reasons time and time again, I have tried to be respectful to you. Fact is, I just see things differently or in a different light from you, nothing more, nothing less.

[Lucrend-thrall (Lucrend)]

@Antiman-bloodhoof

Who said ignore, the time gate was there and I HATEFD it, often REQUESTNG it be removed,

So it was a punishment.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

With that ONE part, nothing else.

There are no parts there’s just the whole.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I was punished by the time gate

You were punished by pathfinder.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

For me, pathfinder was: 90% things already in game, 10% the time gate.

Well you’re wrong.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

Why should 10% which was indeed a punishment make the other 90% a punishment as well?

Because it’s ONE thing. Pathfinder. A whole. Not a piece here and a piece there. It was all pathfinder. The time gate WAS pathfinder.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

Really, I have admitted that the time gate was a punishment, but Pathfinder was MORE then the time gate.

The time gate was always included in it. Always a punishment.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I asked for a reason why I should accept your views as fact/truth for me when they are not. You just regurgitated what has been said.

That’s because you can’t accept facts.

@Antiman-bloodhoof

A possible reason why pathfinder as a whole could be a punishment for me might be, not the time gate, but because it forced me to do the quest/story lines when/if I was one that just wanted to sit in the capital/garrison and run dungeons to max level.

If all you wanted to do was sit in queue all day why would you even bother with pathfinder?

@Antiman-bloodhoof

It was not a punishment to me because it did not feel like one in spite of the time gate, which did feel like a punishment.

[Supèrnova-icecrown]

I knew this would end up agravating people and so damn glad I have yet to buy it. I am not buying it unless regular flying is in it without Pathfinder. I am not falling for Blizzards sneak tactics any longer they can die out as a worthless company before I hand them over any more money. Only reason I still play is I can buy gametime with gold and still enjoy old expansions. All of you are going to get sick of those flying mechanics before its over.

[Antiman-bloodhoof]

@Lucrend-thrall

Well you’re wrong.

Thank you for this, as it finally shows the kind of person you are, I gave you an out with

@Antiman-bloodhoof

I’ll end this now by just saying, as far as pathfinder as a whole being a punishment, we are best off agreeing to disagree.

You are nothing but an IDIOT blinded by your own BIASES, to you the only ones that are “right” are those that agree with you 100%. You can’t accept the simple FACT that people can look at the same thing and see different things.

I have been diagnosed as being on the spectrum, that means I don’t see things the way others do, but even with that I know that how I see things is not how you see things. You could have backed out at any time by just stating a simple “ok, you have your views/opinions based on these facts, I don’t agree with them but they are yours and you are within your rights to have such”. You kept trying to change my opinion to match yours.

Did I, before this post, ever say you were wrong or try to convince you that my views were the right one? No, I always took the stance of “your views are right for you, mine are right for me” neither one of us was right or wrong.

Oh, and to drive home how stupid you are being:

@Lucrend-thrall

The time gate WAS pathfinder.

Sorry, but I never recall “wait x time” being part of the achievement for pathfinder, and those who did not do the achieve did not get flight. If the time gate was pathfinder, why was it not the achieve or why did those who did not do the achieve get flight once it was unlocked?

The time gate was NEVER part of pathfinder, as far as anything in game or communications from Blizzard were concerned, that was Blizzards own spite made manifest, they could have chosen to require all that pathfinder did and give flight the moment it was all done, they could have chosen to just not allow flight until x time, no other requirements, etc.

Fact: there were many ways Blizzard could have done it
Fact: they choose the worst possible way to do it
Fact: you can separate the time gate from pathfinder, as it was never listed in anything connected with pathfinder by Blizzard
Fact: you see pathfinder, as a whole, as punishment for everyone
Fact: I don’t see it as punishment for me

Of those last 2, which “fact” do you think is going to matter more to me?

[Shantarin-kelthuzad]

Miners can spec to never dismount while mining. Skinners massively improve their effectiveness at farming mobs and the returns per skinning. It’s not just faster, it’s way faster.

[Derrida-kilrogg]

@Shantarin-kelthuzad

Miners can spec to never dismount while mining.

Ditto with herbs spec’ing into botany… all three of may gatherers are mine/herb and I never have to dismount. It’s fantastic.

[Canebrake-bleeding-hollow (Canebrake)]

WOuld be nice to hover and have vigor removed

[Tiffany-ravencrest]

Yeah and it would be nice if they did away with raid mechanics or at least nurfed them to 3% of what they are now. Then the rest of us could do raids with a chance of staying alive. But I’m guessing it’s not going to happen either.